Beautiful women

Wolf , you know perfectly well that I would not drink Coca Cola in a flying fit , and whilst I may enjoy dragging on fags , the packet is called Gauloises . And FUMER TUE .

And Wolf , you are a free thinker . I like you . I think you are lovely .

I had hoped that Undertoad and I shared the common ground of free-thinking people . BUT ......he makes many mistakes , for he sometimes CLUTCHES at the concept of being American instead of thinking . When he thinks , I am always interested . He has a fine mind . He just has to stop being influenced , and cluttered up .

[yesman065]

Hmmm, thats a multi-layered post.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by yesman065

Hmmm, thats a multi-layered post.

She's a multi-layered...bigot.

[Ibby]

Yep, its got arrogance, idiocy, and pigheadedness... but under it all...

uh...

...more arrogance, idiocy, and pigheadedness?

[Stormieweather]

Well I'm intelligent enough to listen to and watch that video, then take what I want and leave the rest. The underlying message is that the beauty of advertising and the media is artificial. Therefore, it is impossible for the average young woman to measure up to this 'manufactured' beauty. I don't care what they're selling, the basis for that film is a good one.

As a mother trying to encourage healthy self-esteem and self-image in her daughters, I am constantly battling the distorted idea of beauty as presented by the media. Young girls are bombarded with images of beautiful, thin, sassy, expensively attired young women in magazines, television and movies. Often, they perceive this to be more important than inner beauty and character.

I wonder if Buddug went any further into that site than watching (and sneering at) the video.

One article by a contributing expert for the Dove Self-Esteem Fund wrote:

The Fashionable Body: A Brief History
By Nancy Etcoff PhD

Many girls and women feel excluded from society's stereotype of ideal beauty.

In fact, in a study commissioned by Dove, we found that only 2% of women around the world feel comfortable describing themselves as beautiful! The current recipe for ideal beauty has the following ingredients: a beautiful woman must be extremely tall and very thin, have small hips but a big bust. She has large eyes, large lips and a small nose. We are so used to seeing this beauty stereotype in the media that we assume that such features have always been considered ideal. Think again.

Curvy didn't always mean "fat" and "thin" didn't always mean anything other than underweight and underfed. In fact, wide hips and bottoms were once so prized that women hid their unfashionably slim hips beneath bustles, an undergarment that tied at the waist and padded their backsides with rolls stuffed with cork, horsehair or down. In the 1880's bustles were so flamboyantly huge that "it was popularly declared a tea-tray could be comfortably rested on it."

At one time, smaller breasts reigned as the ideal. Women did not wear push up bras or get breast implants: they sought breast flatteners. Early corsets flattened breasts and pushed them to the side, the better to highlight the beauty found further south in wide hips. In the 1920s, the ideal of beauty for the flappers was the flat chest; to the newly emancipated women of the 1920's breast implants would have been hideous.

The fashionable face also changes through time. One of the legendary beauties of all times was Cleopatra, the last queen of ancient Egypt and the lover of Julius Caesar and Mark Antony. Newly authenticated portraits show that Cleopatra was not a beauty by current standards -- she was too short, too fat, and her nose was too big. Cleopatra was barely 5 ft tall (average for her time) and had rings of fat around her neck, called "Venus rings" by art historians. Her nose was prominent and long with a pronounced downward curve.

Full-lipped beauties like Angelina Jolie would have been out of favor in England of the eighteenth century. At that time, Sir Henry Beaumont said that in the ideal feminine face "the mouth should be small... a truly pretty mouth is like a rose-bud that is beginning to blow."

This brief tour of the fashionable face and body has one major take away lesson: ideals of beauty change and beauty is and always has been a moving target.

Prominent noses or button noses, thin or plump, big breasted or flat chested, curvy or petite, straight hair or ringlets a diversity of features have been the ideal of beauty at one time or another in history. Be yourself and prize the features you have and feel confident in the skin you are in.

Sources
Nancy Etcoff, Survival of the Prettiest
C. Willett and Phillis Cunnington, The History of Underclothes. NY: Dover, 1992.
Richard Corson, Fashions in Makeup: From Ancient to Modern Times. London: Peter Owen, 1972
Harold Koda, Extreme Beauty: The Body Transformed. New York: Metropolitan Museum of Art, 2001.

It is something more young women need to learn. And maybe some older ones could use a lesson on what constitutes being 'classy'.

Stormie

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Well I'm intelligent enough to listen to and watch that video, then take what I want and leave the rest. The underlying message is that the beauty of advertising and the media is artificial. Therefore, it is impossible for the average young woman to measure up to this 'manufactured' beauty. I don't care what they're selling, the basis for that film is a good one.

Yes. I ignored BuDu. It was just another opportunity for her to tell us Americans that we are stupid Americans. Like I didn't totally get that it's advertising, but it's a form of advertising that sends a much needed message to young women. Much different than the Victoria's Secret ads (why during football games) smacking us in the face. I feel shamed when those ads come on, wondering why can't I look like that. Thinking every man and woman in the room is wondering why I don't look like that, this unworthy wart of a woman.

I see my beautiful nieces and hope they realize their beauty within as they grow up. My brother and sister-in-law are amazing, and if anyone has a chance at good self-esteem it is those girls...but you can't block what culture bombards you with at every billboard, every commercial, every movie, every magazine. I already see a sharp sensitivity in the oldest (6 years old) that hits way too close to home. I wish I could shield her from that kind of pain, but I know all I can do is everything I can do to help her see what a wonderful person she is...inside and out.

Edited to add: the "model" was totally cute before they turned her into a barbie, btw.

[Elspode]

I miss Buddug. I haven't had my culture disparaged or my intelligence shat upon for several days now, and I'm getting a little desperate. Someone call me an Ugly American, please!

BTW...is her last name "Li"?

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Elspode

BTW...is her last name "Li"?

Damn you 'spode. I thought I was funny giving BuDu the JHo flair.

[DucksNuts]

Originally Posted by Elspode

I miss Buddug. I haven't had my culture disparaged or my intelligence shat upon for several days now, and I'm getting a little desperate. Someone call me an Ugly American, please!

'spode you....


nah, I cant, its just not true