Gruber on Obamacare

[Big Sarge]

There has been a lot of accusations thrown after the 6 videos of Gruber came to light. How do you feel about the Affordable Care Act now that a hired government consultant admits the public was misled??

[fargon]

Link?

[Happy Monkey]

Of course, the things he claimed were hidden from the public are things that only dumb people would have problems with in the first place. Healthy people subsidize the sick - yeah, that's how insurance works. Whether the penalty is really a tax or not is an interesting point of law that eventually went to she Supreme Court, but it doesn't really matter to the people who pay it.

His views on the American public aren't flattering, but I'd say that those same views were successfully used by opponents of the law, so they were so some extent borne out.

[Big Sarge]

Sorry, I forgot the links. Here's a few you can meander through:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/jonat...cks-1416009107

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...obamacare-and/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-co...rks-rebellions

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama...ry?id=26919286

http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/14/fi...out-obamacare/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rubers-payday/

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/14/politi...use-obamacare/

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/1...ct-112886.html

[Gravdigr]

I think MacGruber every time I hear his name.

[Clodfobble]

Yippie Kai Yay, motherfucker.

[infinite monkey]

puh. Much ado-doo about nothing.

[infinite monkey]

*there have*

[Griff]

Wait, someone in "public service" has contempt for the public? Pretty sure that's a near universal affliction. How else can you assume to run their lives?

[Big Sarge]

I am getting the feeling that many of you are comfortable with being lied to, especially if it for your own good because you are too stupid to understand the matter.

Gruber explains unapologetically that lying was politically necessary because the voting public would otherwise never have accepted the fundamentals of the ACA. He says that the Obama administration and ACA proponents strategically obscured the fact that the flawed legislation’s financing was based on a massive tax hike on the young and healthy. He also unmasks former Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, now secretary of state, whom Gruber calls a “genius” for his role in duping the public.

At a conference at the University of Pennsylvania last year, Gruber said that “the lack of transparency is a real political advantage” in passing legislation, then cheerfully added that “the stupidity of the American voter was really critical for the Affordable Care Act to pass.” Speaking of the American public in such demeaning terms in front of a camera shows a dangerous political smugness.

He also reveals the depths to which President Obama and the Democrats on Capitol Hill went to lie to the public in order to pass the ACA.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/o...#storylink=cpy

So many on here have condemned President Bush for misleading the populace during the Global War on Terrorism. Why aren't you rising up with torches now??

[xoxoxoBruce]

What did you just crawl out of the cabbage patch? That's how politicians have operated since the beginning of time. Accentuate the positive, obscure the negative, and get reelected ad infinitum.

[DanaC]

So far he sounds more honest than most. Most continue to insist they told the truth - even to the bitter end.

And as for Bush et al - they lied to take your (and others) country to war. Sent men and women to fight, to kill and die in a foreign land on the basis of a lie. That trumps massaging the truth to try and get a needed health policy past an ignorant and determinedly hostile populace*



* no I don't mean Americans are uniquely ignorant - we all are pretty much.

[Big Sarge]

Dana - Perhaps Bush thought he was doing it for the good of the nation by forcing militant Islamists to fight in SW Asia and limit their ability to conduct large scale attacks in the US? Would that be ok with you as long as he had good intentions? BTW, I believe Bush did not lie. Based upon my experience, I believe their were weapons of mass destruction that were moved to Syria and Saddam conducted a military deception program.

In another thread, it was voiced it was ok for Clinton to commit perjury because of the nature of inquiry. Now we have an administration that has been caught lying to the public and government entities to legislation. An administration knowing that insurance premiums would rise for young adults and by 2020, over 40% of work based health insurance would be eliminated.

Interesting that so many of you feel it is ok for politicians to commit criminal acts and actively deceive you as long as their are liberals.

[DanaC]

It's got bugger all to do with liberal versus conservative. Our prime minister at the time ofthe Iraq war was the leader of the Labour party - my party at the time. He also lied - and I consider him to have betrayed his country, his party and parliament in doing so.

It is to do with the content and context of the deception.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Dana - Perhaps Bush thought he was doing it for the good of the nation by forcing militant Islamists to fight in SW Asia and limit their ability to conduct large scale attacks in the US? Would that be ok with you as long as he had good intentions?

Dana Sarge - Perhaps Bush Obama thought he was doing it for the good of the nation by forcing militant Islamists to fight in SW Asia and limit their ability to conduct large scale attacks in the US? ensuring those in need have health insurance, that those who use their insurance don't end up bankrupt, and to get the sick poor out of the ER and into their PCP? Would that be ok with you as long as he had good intentions?

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

BTW, I believe Bush did not lie. Based upon my experience, I believe their were weapons of mass destruction that were moved to Syria and Saddam conducted a military deception program.

Dude, you drank the Kool Aid. Look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Interesting that so many of you feel it is ok for politicians to commit criminal acts and actively deceive you as long as their are liberals.

See above.

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

In another thread, it was voiced it was ok for Clinton to commit perjury because of the nature of inquiry. Now we have an administration that has been caught lying to the public and government entities to legislation. An administration knowing that insurance premiums would rise for young adults and by 2020, over 40% of work based health insurance would be eliminated.

I don't think Clinton lied. A blow job is not "having sex".