Abortion Debate

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Lady Sidhe

Here's something I don't get: why is it that if someone causes a woman to lose her child involuntarily, that's considered fetuscide--murder--and they can be charged, tried, and sent to jail for it; but if a woman willfully kills her own child, that isn't considered fetuscide?

I'm not sure that's true. I remember some anti-abortion congressmen tried to pass such a law recently, but I don't know what the status is. I think the usual charge would be forcing a miscarriage, rather than murder.

It's like someone killing a pet. If your next-door neighbor kills your dog, that's animal cruelty, and they can go to jail for it. Likewise, if you abuse and/or kill your dog, the same laws apply to you, although you own the dog. The animal has protections under the law, and it applies equally across the board, no matter WHO violates that law.

Pets are killed by owners all the time, or - perhaps more often - taken to clinics to be killed.

[lookout123]

Pets are killed by owners all the time, or - perhaps more often - taken to clinics to be killed.

uh-oh, you just had to go there, didn't you?

*sees garnet entering room carrying soap bax and flame thrower*

[Lady Sidhe]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I'm not sure that's true. I remember some anti-abortion congressmen tried to pass such a law recently, but I don't know what the status is. I think the usual charge would be forcing a miscarriage, rather than murder.Pets are killed by owners all the time, or - perhaps more often - taken to clinics to be killed.

Here in La., it's fetuscide. I don't know about other states.

I'm not referring to people who bring sick pets to be put down, or vicious or rabid animals (I think that people who kill perfectly healthy pets should be flogged. If you can't take care of a pet, don't get one, IMO). I'm talking about people who abuse their animals or kill animals. I can't tell you how many people I know who have had pets poisoned by neighbors, or the like.

In La., if you abuse or kill an animal, or are found to be engaged in animal fighting, you can be fined and/or imprisoned for animal abuse, if you're caught.


Sidhe


Interesting how we treat animals as compared to how we treat murderers and babies....we'll put down a rabid animal because it's a danger to society, but not a human who is a danger to society. And the animal didn't even kill. We'll protect animals from abuse and death at the hands of caretakers, but not babies.

Pathetic.

[jaguar]

The real problem is the strange notion that human life is somehow magically sacred, if people are that worried about 'people' dieing they should asked to sell their posessions to feed starving wretched kids in africa before that can claim some sort of moral high ground about abortion.

[Happy Monkey]

Hey, part of garnet's discussion was about which euthanasia methods are PETA-approved!

[wolf]

I saw a hilarious video regarding "putting the dog out of it's misery" the other day, but don't have the URL handy. As soon as I find it I'll post it.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Lady Sidhe

Here in La., it's fetuscide. I don't know about other states.

I'd guess that they are trying to get as close to banning abortion as they can without attracting the Supreme Court.

I'm not referring to people who bring sick pets to be put down, or vicious or rabid animals

How about animal shelters? If they can't find a loving family for the animal, they'll kill it (depending on the shelter).

Interesting how we treat animals as compared to how we treat murderers and babies....we'll put down a rabid animal because it's a danger to society, but not a human who is a danger to society. And the animal didn't even kill. We'll protect animals from abuse and death at the hands of caretakers, but not babies.

The reason rabid animals are killed is that they are considered less important than people, and therefore not worth life imprisonment. Babies are more protected than animals, and fetuses are less. Animal fetuses have no protection at all.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by lookout123

uh-oh, you just had to go there, didn't you?

*sees garnet entering room carrying soap bax and flame thrower*

Hey! I've been a good girl lately! I'm learning slowly but surely how to play nicely with others.

(just don't start another PETA thread......pleeeeeeze!)

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by garnet

Hey! I've been a good girl lately! I'm learning slowly but surely how to play nicely with others.

(just don't start another PETA thread......pleeeeeeze!)

2 things.

1) some cellarites are partial to the opposite of a good girl.

2) PETA - that is a sandwich, right? (go with me on this one, and maybe people won't even notice that PETA was brought up again.)

[garnet]

Originally Posted by Lady Sidhe

Interesting how we treat animals as compared to how we treat murderers and babies....we'll put down a rabid animal because it's a danger to society, but not a human who is a danger to society. And the animal didn't even kill. We'll protect animals from abuse and death at the hands of caretakers, but not babies.

Pathetic.

Sorry, just can't help myself on this one. It all goes back to what your definition of "baby" is. If you kill a human infant (and get caught) you're going to the slammer for a looooong time. If you kill a kitten or a puppy, you get a slap on the wrist (if anything).

Lots of pro-lifers hate PETA because we protect animals instead of unborn "babies." I've never understood the connection. We get tons of mail from those people. I don't get why they're wasting their time bitching at us instead of doing something useful--like helping pregnant teenagers and abused children.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by lookout123

2 things.

1) some cellarites are partial to the opposite of a good girl.

So wait, are you saying you like the "bad" garnet better than the "good" garnet? Cuz if you do, she's lurking just around the corner

[jinx]

Originally Posted by lookout123

2 things.

1) some cellarites are partial to the opposite of a good girl.

Are you trying to say you've got a thing for bad boys lookout?

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by jinx

Are you trying to say you've got a thing for bad boys lookout?

eeew. thanks but no thanks jinx. i didn't mean that opposite.

i was simply (although with poor grammar) saying that some of the cellar dwelling guys like the bad girls... take that how you want.

and to garnet - please keep evil garnet in chains. and a ballgag. with chinese finger cuffs. in a burlap sack. in a closet. in an abandoned house. in siberia. that should do it.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by lookout123

and to garnet - please keep evil garnet in chains. and a ballgag. with chinese finger cuffs. in a burlap sack. in a closet. in an abandoned house. in siberia. that should do it.

Chinese finger cuffs? OUCH! Even for "bad garnet" that's a little harsh!

[ladysycamore]

Originally Posted by jaguar

The real problem is the strange notion that human life is somehow magically sacred, if people are that worried about 'people' dieing they should asked to sell their posessions to feed starving wretched kids in africa before that can claim some sort of moral high ground about abortion.

A big amen from me on that one.


Or for those who say, "Every child is a wanted child"...where are they when the woman doesn't want her child? I don't see anyone lining up to take in that "wanted" child.