Rumors and Truth

[jinx]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I still don't buy it. That is like saying there was a spike in drunk driving when Princess Di died. Just because the daughter of a high profile person has a teen pregnancy there would be no way to prove, much less measure any direct correlation with teen preg rates.

My kid's don't know who Bristol Palin is, but watched the show Jamie Lynn Spears was on regularly... Her pregnancy was a great opportunity to talk about such things with my kids, several times actually...

[TheMercenary]

I think events like this provide a great chance for parents to talk to their kids about it. Everyone should follow your actions in that regard.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by jinx

Did/do you have the same fears wrt Jamie Lynn Spears' pregnancy?

I felt like that was a bad example as well.

Whether or not these high-profile teen pregnancies/births result in higher rates, my concern is that they send the message that it's okay for teens to give birth in this day and age.

Yes, it happens, it's always happened. But IMO, it's NOT okay. I'll appeal to everyone's common sense here, and state that most teen mothers do not receive the level of emotional and financial support that the Spearses and the Palins are assumed to be able to provide to their teen mother family members.

When I was in high school (80s), there were so many pregnant girls that they started a separate school on our campus for them to attend. I don't know how many stuck with it, but the program ended before I reached my senior year. Sex education was never part of our curriculum in regular high school.

To me, the very fact that Ms. Palin is able to run for VP with her views toward women's and girls' reproductive rights is worse than ironic; it's a slap in the face of the strides that (should) have been made over the past four decades.

[lookout123]

To me, the very fact that Ms. Palin is able to run for VP with her views toward women's and girls' reproductive rights is worse than ironic; it's a slap in the face of the strides that (should) have been made over the past four decades.

Wait a minute. she doesn't share your beliefs and priorities so she shouldn't be eligible for office? please tell me that isn't what you meant, because that is no different than a christian sitting at home saying the reverse of obama. that misses the whole point of having an election to begin with.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Some woman on the news has a kid that got knocked up. That won't change the decisions of the teens in the back row seat of the van. Not at all.

Absolutely. Young people are going to have sex, or not. It's happened since the beginning of time (gasp...even before television!) and, barring mind control, will continue to happen in the future.

Originally Posted by jinx

My kid's don't know who Bristol Palin is, but watched the show Jamie Lynn Spears was on regularly... Her pregnancy was a great opportunity to talk about such things with my kids, several times actually...

Using the occasion to talk to your kids about sex...perfect! As a parent, isn't that the most you can do? Ultimately, the kids grow up and make their own decisions, but opening the lines of communication (i.e. education) is the best defense.

Certainly better than fire and brimstone and you better not have sex nor shall you have access to birth control because it will just make you have sex and don't watch TV or movies because you will want to have sex...blah blah blah.

[Pico and ME]

Sex talk in my household?

"DONT get her pregnant"

Thats me to my teenage stepson.

I hope he listens.

[Trilby]

I thought this thread was going to be about Fleetwood Mac.



sigh.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Wait a minute. she doesn't share your beliefs and priorities so she shouldn't be eligible for office? please tell me that isn't what you meant, because that is no different than a christian sitting at home saying the reverse of obama. that misses the whole point of having an election to begin with.

Eh no, that's not what I was trying to say. What I meant was that if it weren't for the advances in society that women have achieved, largely because of rights that Palin opposes, she wouldn't even have the chance to run for VP.

[lookout123]

she opposes abortion. that has exactly zero to do with her ability to run for VP.

i'm pretty sure she supports a woman's right to work, right to vote, and things like that, so i'm not really sure what exactly you are saying.

[TheMercenary]

Bush believes all those same things and we have not had abortion outlawed, madates to teach creationism in school, a ban on gay marriage, so I don't really see the problem. Esp as long as there is a Democratically controlled Congress. So many people don't understand how this Republic works. It would be worse to have a Democratically controlled Congress with a Democratic President, as bad as it was to have the opposit for 6 years of Bush.

[classicman]

Got this email from an old friend - just thought I'd let you guys have at it.

TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST, WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT.
Tuesday, May 27, 2008 Obama's Not Exactlys


Obama's Not Exactlys:

1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.

Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....

http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy...._6.25%_African

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam'' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel .

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

[BigV]

World News Daily? FFS, just because UG gives you a cup doesn't mean you have to drink the koolaid, buddy. Arcade at home, emulators and ROMs? Yeah, that's where I go to cite my political truthinessifications.

It is a shame I have to soil my deleted items box with crap like this.

[classicman]

I just posted it - that's all. Never said I agreed or disagreed with any of it. I must admit to finding some of it rather amusing tho.

[Happy Monkey]

It doesn't survive Snopes very well...

[classicman]

Thanks HM.