Another story about appalling Muslim behavior in France - Page 3

Griff · 08-14-2003, 12:34 PM

Belloc's book, Europe and the Faith is a lot shorter and so far (just started it) his method and language are interesting but obviously aimed at a Catholic audience. I don't remember Hourani's book making any assumptions about the audience. I meant to re-read that after 9-11 but it keeps getting bumped to the back of the list.

I think you're right about Islam being the organizing principle of Arab culture but hadn't made the language link to the other muslim societies which helps explain how Arab radicalism is welcomed without a central authority giving it credibility.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-14-2003, 06:26 PM

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I do find it interesting that I wrote a message describing the year-long repeated rape and brutalization of an 11-year-old and the part the people find offensive is where I generalize.

Maybe because the first part didn't surprise anyone.

juju · 08-14-2003, 06:56 PM

Hey UT, you never answered my question. Are you suggesting that the problem lies with Islam, or with Arabic culture?

08-14-2003, 07:21 PM

Yes, he is.

Undertoad · 08-14-2003, 09:49 PM

I believe it's a problem of the culture of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, but the problem has spread to all men who wear bow ties.

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OK, it's hard to know. Because: while we in the US believe that our religion, our government, and our culture are entirely separate, radical Islamism merges them all.

And harder still, I think, because we generally figure we have free will, whereas a lot of those folks believe that Allah has already worked out what's going to happen and they're just living it all out.

MaggieL · 08-15-2003, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
I believe it's a problem of the culture of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, but the problem has spread to all men who wear bow ties.

Everything I needed to know about Farrakhan I learned from his back list at

http://www.fadetoblack.com/farrakhan/albums.html

Have a listen! (Real Audio)

http://www.fadetoblack.com/farrakhan/Isshe.ram

OnyxCougar · 08-15-2003, 04:25 PM

Thought I'd share this quote.

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"Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more
uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right
and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of
men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped
them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always
skeptical and tolerant, in this field as in all others. His culture is
based on 'I am not too sure.' "

- H.L. Mencken

jaguar · 08-21-2003, 01:10 AM

Would be kinda funny, i'll grab the digicam this sat if i remember.

hot_pastrami · 09-10-2003, 12:35 PM

It's stuff like this that makes me think the arab culture has some severe problems. The 'muttawa' are the Saudi religious police, aka "The Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice."

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"Women in Saudi Arabia must cover themselves from head to toe with a black cloak in public. They are not allowed to drive and cannot go out in public unaccompanied by a male family member." ... "The muttawa patrol the streets of the kingdom, preventing men from mingling with women, enforcing strict Islamic dress for women, chasing worshippers late for prayers, and punishing shop keepers who stay open during prayer hours. They sometimes work with a police officer who can enforce legal punishments on people deemed violators."

I can't even verbalize exactly why, I just know that this kind of shit is wrong.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-10-2003, 05:16 PM

THEY say, the people WANT it.

Arctic Wind · 09-10-2003, 06:28 PM

I just finished some studies about Islam and my opinion is that, part of the Muslim societies behaviour regarding human rights department, is deeply embedded in the character of the religion and in the very alive Middle Ages Islamic practices and traditions.
We are facing a cultural conflict, where Islamic aggressive and unmodernized religion plays an fundamental role.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-10-2003, 09:58 PM

Welcome to the Cellar, Wind. I've got 2 questions.
First why did you sent me an email addressed to Juju?
Secondly, your profile says Romania but your email address says UK. Student?

Arctic Wind · 09-11-2003, 05:24 AM

Hello to xoxoxoBruce and to all the others.
Uhh... I've done some silly things, Bruce and I'll repair the misunderstandings by anwering your questions.
First, I was reading some messages from this web page, when I decided to unswer to a question put by Juju( and this was: Is the Arabic culture the same with Islam?). So I intended to answer this question to Juju but it seems I did an unintentional mistake. Sorry (I have the excuse of the beginner I guess).
To the second question I can answer that I'm fro m Romania, but I chosed as the main language, the british english and that's way, the e-mail ends with co.uk. And I'm a student at the University now.
So, I think you know now what you wanted. I will try to take active part to the disscusion around here and that by communicating sincerely we all will have something to win.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-11-2003, 05:29 PM

No problem, Wind.
Don't worry about your English, if we can't understand what you are trying to say, we'll ask.
And if we sound like we misunderstood, tell us. It will work out OK.

elSicomoro · 09-12-2003, 02:53 AM

Yeah...even native English speakers have problems using the language.

08-14-2003, 12:34 PM	#31
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Belloc's book, Europe and the Faith is a lot shorter and so far (just started it) his method and language are interesting but obviously aimed at a Catholic audience. I don't remember Hourani's book making any assumptions about the audience. I meant to re-read that after 9-11 but it keeps getting bumped to the back of the list. I think you're right about Islam being the organizing principle of Arab culture but hadn't made the language link to the other muslim societies which helps explain how Arab radicalism is welcomed without a central authority giving it credibility. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-21-2003, 01:10 AM	#38
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Would be kinda funny, i'll grab the digicam this sat if i remember. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

09-10-2003, 05:16 PM	#40
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	THEY say, the people WANT it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-10-2003, 06:28 PM	#41
Arctic Wind Non-Newbie Sort Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Romania Posts: 6	Don't do an enemy from the image of the enemy I just finished some studies about Islam and my opinion is that, part of the Muslim societies behaviour regarding human rights department, is deeply embedded in the character of the religion and in the very alive Middle Ages Islamic practices and traditions. We are facing a cultural conflict, where Islamic aggressive and unmodernized religion plays an fundamental role. __________________ Don't make an enemy from the image of the enemy

09-10-2003, 09:58 PM	#42
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Welcome to the Cellar, Wind. I've got 2 questions. First why did you sent me an email addressed to Juju? Secondly, your profile says Romania but your email address says UK. Student? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-14-2003, 06:56 PM	#33
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Hey UT, you never answered my question. Are you suggesting that the problem lies with Islam, or with Arabic culture?

08-14-2003, 09:49 PM	#35
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I believe it's a problem of the culture of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, but the problem has spread to all men who wear bow ties. . OK, it's hard to know. Because: while we in the US believe that our religion, our government, and our culture are entirely separate, radical Islamism merges them all. And harder still, I think, because we generally figure we have free will, whereas a lot of those folks believe that Allah has already worked out what's going to happen and they're just living it all out.

09-11-2003, 05:24 AM	#43
Arctic Wind Non-Newbie Sort Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Romania Posts: 6	Hello everybody Hello to xoxoxoBruce and to all the others. Uhh... I've done some silly things, Bruce and I'll repair the misunderstandings by anwering your questions. First, I was reading some messages from this web page, when I decided to unswer to a question put by Juju( and this was: Is the Arabic culture the same with Islam?). So I intended to answer this question to Juju but it seems I did an unintentional mistake. Sorry (I have the excuse of the beginner I guess). To the second question I can answer that I'm fro m Romania, but I chosed as the main language, the british english and that's way, the e-mail ends with co.uk. And I'm a student at the University now. So, I think you know now what you wanted. I will try to take active part to the disscusion around here and that by communicating sincerely we all will have something to win. __________________ Don't make an enemy from the image of the enemy

09-11-2003, 05:29 PM	#44
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No problem, Wind. Don't worry about your English, if we can't understand what you are trying to say, we'll ask. And if we sound like we misunderstood, tell us. It will work out OK. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-12-2003, 02:53 AM	#45
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Yeah...even native English speakers have problems using the language.

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08-14-2003, 07:21 PM	#34
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Yes, he is.