Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone - Page 32

piercehawkeye45 · 01-22-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

We shouldn't! We should just pack up all our shit and go home and wait in blissful ignorance until they kick the door in and stick a bomb up our asses. Then we can call the "more benevolent nations" to help us out. Oh nevermind, it'll be too late by then. Hell, lets just all convert now.

Maybe the fact that they hate us is because we are over there killing them. For every civilian we kill over there, ten more are going to grow up hating us.

Do you know how the American Revolution started to gain steam? The British would hurt innocent civilians and kill their neighbors. So they would hate the British for what they did to them, even if their neighbor started it first.

glatt · 01-22-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

If we were invaded and occupied the way they are there would be an insurgency, I would be part of it and we would be doing what they are.

You would blow up civilians in crowded markets just like the Iraqi insurgents do?

01-22-2007, 03:18 PM

I don't believe that that is common to Iraqi insurgents. More illegal immigrants there to continue their campaign of terror (that they would not be doing if we had not invaded and occupied an non-threat nation)... I was talking more along the line of direct fighting and blowing-up their vehicles, gorilla warfare.
Yes, I would do that.
Targeting civilians, no, in no way.

glatt · 01-22-2007, 04:07 PM

It's not just Iraqis vs. Americans. It's also a power struggle between the different religious factions.

It would be like if the Russians invaded the US, and the Baptists took the opportunity to go into a Catholic neighborhood to blow up a Walmart there, and any Russian soldiers they might see in the area too.

yesman065 · 01-22-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Maybe the fact that they hate us is because we are over there killing them. For every civilian we kill over there, ten more are going to grow up hating us.

We aren't over there intentionally killing civilians PH. Of course there are unintentional casualties, but they are not the enemy. Iraqi insurgents are being included as civilian deaths as well. Not all of them are over there wearing a bright sign that says "ENEMY" on it. Many Iraqi civilians are being killed by the enemy as well. Of course, thats our fault too.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-22-2007, 05:10 PM

It's a lose lose situation. I can't be certain but I would guess that Iraqis are more pissed at their poor living conditions than anything.

yesman065 · 01-22-2007, 09:24 PM

I think its a very different culture over there and the vast majority have absolutely no concept of what a democracy is or could be. They have no idea how wonderful life can be. All they've ever known is the same bullshit and fragmented society. Freedom is a word without a definition to them. Something they've never had nor can grasp.
Furthermore, those that oppose us wish to continue to exert their control upon the masses or gain more by any means - for their own gain/profit or power. Too bad we'll probably never be able to give the power back to the people - its a sin really.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-22-2007, 09:29 PM

We are not giving them freedom. We are running into their house, taking their possessions and peeing on them on the way out.

We have to slowly give them democracy or they will reject it. Also, I bet the USSR was saying almost the exact same thing as you 60 years ago.

Ronald Cherrycoke · 01-22-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

We are not giving them freedom. We are running into their house, taking their possessions and peeing on them on the way out.

We have to slowly give them democracy or they will reject it. Also, I bet the USSR was saying almost the exact same thing as you 60 years ago.

Yep...that has always been the Bush=Hitler policy...according to the MSM.....Keith Oberman told me so...

Haaaaa...Haaaaaaa...

yesman065 · 01-22-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

We have to slowly give them democracy or they will reject it.

Really???? We have to GIVE them democracy???

piercehawkeye45 · 01-22-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

Too bad we'll probably never be able to give the power back to the people - its a sin really.

I don't know what the point of your remark was since you said the exact same thing.

yesman065 · 01-22-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I don't know what the point of your remark was since you said the exact same thing.

My point is that the people are not in power. maybe its semantics, but we can't force a democracy on them we can only give them the power to choose whatever form of Gov't they want to have. They certainly didn't choose what they have had.

Ibby · 01-23-2007, 08:39 PM

I'm going to be recycling some of the stuff I used in this thread on an essay I have to write in class in a few days about Social Contracts and Current Events and stuff like that, so I'm just stating that I'm the writer of all that stuff and such so I can argue that I wasnt plagarising anyone but myself.

yesman065 · 01-23-2007, 09:16 PM

Don't you dare Ibram - Use us all as interviewees and then reference us at the end -
can you say "bonus points?"

Ibby · 01-24-2007, 12:05 AM

Nah, its an in-class essay on social contracts for a class that doesnt REALLY encourage out of the box thinking as much as it should.

01-23-2007, 08:39 PM	#478
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I'm going to be recycling some of the stuff I used in this thread on an essay I have to write in class in a few days about Social Contracts and Current Events and stuff like that, so I'm just stating that I'm the writer of all that stuff and such so I can argue that I wasnt plagarising anyone but myself. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-24-2007, 12:05 AM	#480
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Nah, its an in-class essay on social contracts for a class that doesnt REALLY encourage out of the box thinking as much as it should. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

01-22-2007, 03:18 PM	#468
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I don't believe that that is common to Iraqi insurgents. More illegal immigrants there to continue their campaign of terror (that they would not be doing if we had not invaded and occupied an non-threat nation)... I was talking more along the line of direct fighting and blowing-up their vehicles, gorilla warfare. Yes, I would do that. Targeting civilians, no, in no way.

01-22-2007, 04:07 PM	#469
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	It's not just Iraqis vs. Americans. It's also a power struggle between the different religious factions. It would be like if the Russians invaded the US, and the Baptists took the opportunity to go into a Catholic neighborhood to blow up a Walmart there, and any Russian soldiers they might see in the area too.

01-22-2007, 05:10 PM	#471
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	It's a lose lose situation. I can't be certain but I would guess that Iraqis are more pissed at their poor living conditions than anything.

01-22-2007, 09:24 PM	#472
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	I think its a very different culture over there and the vast majority have absolutely no concept of what a democracy is or could be. They have no idea how wonderful life can be. All they've ever known is the same bullshit and fragmented society. Freedom is a word without a definition to them. Something they've never had nor can grasp. Furthermore, those that oppose us wish to continue to exert their control upon the masses or gain more by any means - for their own gain/profit or power. Too bad we'll probably never be able to give the power back to the people - its a sin really.

01-22-2007, 09:29 PM	#473
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	We are not giving them freedom. We are running into their house, taking their possessions and peeing on them on the way out. We have to slowly give them democracy or they will reject it. Also, I bet the USSR was saying almost the exact same thing as you 60 years ago.

01-23-2007, 09:16 PM	#479
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Don't you dare Ibram - Use us all as interviewees and then reference us at the end - can you say "bonus points?"

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