Girl pays price of tribal honor

Nic Name · 07-02-2002, 11:44 PM

Girl sentenced to gang-rape for brother's offence

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Associated Press

Multan, Pakistan — A Pakistani tribal council ordered an 18-year-old girl gang-raped, police said Tuesday, after her brother was seen walking with a girl from a higher caste.

The private Human Rights Commission of Pakistan demanded that all those involved in the rape, which took place June 22 in the village of Meerwala in southern Punjab, be punished.

Police said the victim's father has filed criminal charges against the four men involved in the case, and eight relatives of the suspects have been picked up to put pressure on the perpetrators to surrender.

"We will spare no efforts to do justice" for the victim, police official Malik Saeed said.

According to the victim, the Mastoi tribe demanded punishment after her 11-year-old brother was seen walking unchaperoned with a Mastoi girl in a deserted part of the village. The boy and his sister are from the lower-caste Gujar tribe.

The meeting of the Mastoi tribal council ordered that the girl be raped to avenge their tribal honour. The teen-ager said she was taken to a hut and assaulted as hundreds of Mastois stood outside laughing and cheering.

Pakistan has a tradition of tribal justice in which crimes or affronts to dignity are punished outside the framework of Pakistani law. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has demanded an end to punishments by tribal councils.

The commission's Kamla Hayyat said the group will send a fact-finding mission to the victim's village to determine what happened and provide help to her.

"The increasing incidents of terrible atrocities against women are a terrible reflection on the state of society and the status of women within it," commission chairman Afrasiab Khattak said in a statement.

Last month, an Islamic court overturned the conviction of a woman who was to be stoned to death for adultery. Zufran Bibi, 28, said she was raped, and she appealed her early May conviction in the conservative North West Frontier Province.

Her case prompted demonstrations and protests by hundreds of civil and women's-rights groups nationwide.

elSicomoro · 07-03-2002, 11:25 PM

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Police said the victim's father has filed criminal charges against the four men involved in the case, and eight relatives of the suspects have been picked up to put pressure on the perpetrators to surrender.

There can be no doubt that this is horrible, but I hope the police aren't using goon tactics in arresting the relatives.

BrianR · 07-04-2002, 08:41 PM

If the girl's brother committed the offense (walking with an unmarried girl from another tribe without a chaperone)
then why is it that HE isn't the one being gang-raped? I'm mostly serious. I think what we have here is a case where the village elder(s) had the hots for this girl and saw a way to have their fun.

That said, I'm against this type of "outside the law" enforcement even though we have a form of it here in the USA, wherein we allow the Indian tribes living on the reservations to police themselves (more or less) and even set up different rules for them (witness the casinos and tobacco sales). But what can (should) we do about it?
Send the NOW hags over there to protest and generally terrify the locals who will (I guarantee it) resent any US intrusion and probably even the press coverage. Should we send in the Marines? I don't think so.

If I were the President, I would let this become a non-issue and let the government of that country handle their own problems according to their laws. I fail to see the national interest in this incident, however deplorable it may be.

Brian

Undertoad · 07-04-2002, 08:50 PM

Well that's the honor-shame culture thing again. I'm sure the idea is that their entire family is to be shamed, and in a culture that doesn't respect women, dishonoring him is much more important than what she gets. After all, she is a lowly woman.

Nic Name · 07-05-2002, 02:19 AM

The intolerable status quo: Violence against women and girls

headsplice · 07-11-2002, 01:15 PM

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I'm against this type of "outside the law" enforcement even though we have a form of it here in the USA, wherein we allow the Indian tribes living on the reservations to police themselves by BrianR

Topic hijacking, but, they are outside the law because they fall into a weird place Constitutionally. The Big C reads that we shall have no nations w/in our borders. But, we violated treaties w/ the Native American nations and then gobbled up their prime real estate. That's why they get to do the whole casino/tobacco thing.
back on topic:
That kinda horseshit should never happen and I think the old eye-for-an-eye model of justice is appropriate in this case. But, something to ponder:
who would design and build a gang raping machine? My guess: Lockheed-Martin or Boeing. Maybe Colt.

warch · 07-11-2002, 05:39 PM

This girl was raped because she is viewed not as a human with basic rights, but as a merely a female who is property. The judgement to gang rape was seen as no different than any property damage. It is a crime. At least Pakistan officially views this as criminal, the practices of justice and protection are another story.

The International Criminal Court has been established, just this week, to try crimes against humanity, genocide and crimes of war. And specifically is charged to protect those not given full protection under the law of their nation. Will it work? Who knows. Is it more evidence of globalization, sure. But maybe the good kind. The kind that attempts to protect individual human rights in the face of violent and abusive practice.

The US initially supported the court, signed by Clinton, but now the Bush Adminstration has removed the US signature. (Not good for war time strategy or perhaps too many skeletons in the closet, eh Kissinger?...)

BrianR · 07-11-2002, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by headsplice

Topic hijacking, but, they are outside the law because they fall into a weird place Constitutionally. The Big C reads that we shall have no nations w/in our borders. But, we violated treaties w/ the Native American nations and then gobbled up their prime real estate. That's why they get to do the whole casino/tobacco thing.
back on topic:

I knew that already. I was just making a point.

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Originally posted by headsplice

That kinda horseshit should never happen and I think the old eye-for-an-eye model of justice is appropriate in this case. But, something to ponder:
who would design and build a gang raping machine? My guess: Lockheed-Martin or Boeing. Maybe Colt.

Already done. I don't know the name of the manufacturer but it's the same one that makes the Sybian.
It's powered by a sewing machine motor and a system of articulated arms that provide a rythmic back and forth motion with a speed adjustment and an attachment for a phallic object. (family board, ya know)

If I can find my photo of it, I'll post it.

Brian

elSicomoro · 07-11-2002, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by headsplice
But, we violated treaties w/ the Native American nations and then gobbled up their prime real estate. That's why they get to do the whole casino/tobacco thing.

And you will all thank me when I open my casino and smoke shop in the near future.

warch · 07-12-2002, 10:05 AM

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If I can find my photo of it, I'll post it.

Dearest BrianR, now this NOW Hag is seething.
The fact that this violence seems to titilate you makes me sick. Yea, but she was probably just a hottie that they needed an excuse to fuck down to size. Fun, eh?

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I fail to see the national interest in
this incident, however deplorable it may be.

Yeah, Its not going to negatively impact your consumer goods, or stock prices and its not like it would ever happen again, or even ever happen here. This is only one primitive girl and she didnt even die or anything. It would understandably elude anyone with out a conscious.

Tobiasly · 07-12-2002, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by warch
Dearest BrianR, now this NOW Hag is seething.

Just out of curiosity, are you two people? I find it interesting that a NOW member would list "fireman" as one of her occupations. (Instead of "firefighter", that is).

toby

warch · 07-12-2002, 05:07 PM

I am way more than two.

That Guy · 07-13-2002, 10:34 AM

How is that possible?

07-13-2002, 11:37 AM

Because warch is pizzimp. Don't question her. I'll have to beat you up.

BrianR · 07-13-2002, 03:25 PM

But I feel that the post properly belongs in Quality Images

Go there and meet your replacement

Brian

07-04-2002, 08:41 PM	#3
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	I don't quite understand If the girl's brother committed the offense (walking with an unmarried girl from another tribe without a chaperone) then why is it that HE isn't the one being gang-raped? I'm mostly serious. I think what we have here is a case where the village elder(s) had the hots for this girl and saw a way to have their fun. That said, I'm against this type of "outside the law" enforcement even though we have a form of it here in the USA, wherein we allow the Indian tribes living on the reservations to police themselves (more or less) and even set up different rules for them (witness the casinos and tobacco sales). But what can (should) we do about it? Send the NOW hags over there to protest and generally terrify the locals who will (I guarantee it) resent any US intrusion and probably even the press coverage. Should we send in the Marines? I don't think so. If I were the President, I would let this become a non-issue and let the government of that country handle their own problems according to their laws. I fail to see the national interest in this incident, however deplorable it may be. Brian __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

07-13-2002, 03:25 PM	#15
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	found it! But I feel that the post properly belongs in Quality Images Go there and meet your replacement Brian __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

07-04-2002, 08:50 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well that's the honor-shame culture thing again. I'm sure the idea is that their entire family is to be shamed, and in a culture that doesn't respect women, dishonoring him is much more important than what she gets. After all, she is a lowly woman.

07-05-2002, 02:19 AM	#5
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	The intolerable status quo: Violence against women and girls

07-11-2002, 05:39 PM	#7
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	This girl was raped because she is viewed not as a human with basic rights, but as a merely a female who is property. The judgement to gang rape was seen as no different than any property damage. It is a crime. At least Pakistan officially views this as criminal, the practices of justice and protection are another story. The International Criminal Court has been established, just this week, to try crimes against humanity, genocide and crimes of war. And specifically is charged to protect those not given full protection under the law of their nation. Will it work? Who knows. Is it more evidence of globalization, sure. But maybe the good kind. The kind that attempts to protect individual human rights in the face of violent and abusive practice. The US initially supported the court, signed by Clinton, but now the Bush Adminstration has removed the US signature. (Not good for war time strategy or perhaps too many skeletons in the closet, eh Kissinger?...)

07-12-2002, 05:07 PM	#12
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I am way more than two.

07-13-2002, 10:34 AM	#13
That Guy He who reads, sometimes writes. Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: at the keyboard Posts: 791	How is that possible?

07-13-2002, 11:37 AM	#14
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Because warch is pizzimp. Don't question her. I'll have to beat you up.

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