Moderator Nominations - Page 5

Pico and ME · 01-05-2011, 01:26 PM

Merc, I would have developed the same opinion of you even without you adding me to your hit list. Its only recently that you started cleaning up your act...and I attribute that to the results of the last election and maybe on that recent cellar intervention. If you maintain, then good for you.

DanaC · 01-05-2011, 01:27 PM

What can I say? I try.

TheMercenary · 01-05-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

"I'm sorry you were so offended" is what I would call a back-handed apology. As in: it's your fault you were so offended and I'm sorry about that.

It was more than a year ago and I had no idea she was so put off by it. So I apologized. Why do you get to judge what I said as "a back-handed apology"? And where did I indicate that it was "your fault you were so offended"? I only pointed out that it was most likely due to a discussion of politics and I reacted to something said. Never said it was her fault, only that it was my response.

TheMercenary · 01-05-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Merc, I would have developed the same opinion of you even without you adding me to your hit list. Its only recently that you started cleaning up your act...and I attribute that to the results of the last election and maybe on that recent cellar intervention. If you maintain, then good for you.

I have no "Hit List".

Shawnee123 · 01-05-2011, 01:38 PM

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I have up and down relationships with most people on here, esp those with very partisan views when it comes to some few areas of politics. But I hold no grudge to you. Hey, how long ago was that exchange? 2 years? If you remain that offended to someone calling you a name, then I apologize. You deserve that much from me. But I don't let my disagreements with people prevent me from having other relationships or discussions on unrelated topics. As I recall we have had a number of other civil discussions and I never new you were so jaded by me because of something I said to you a long time ago, most likely when we were having a heated discussion over some political issue. Again I apologize if you were that offended.

Merc, I don't want to argue semantics with you. It's how I perceived the bolded above. It's an old communication trick, apologizing because someone got hurt not because you did the hurting (not saying anyone was hurt or not hurt but am trying to get the convo away from the whole cunt mess) is typically a little dance step to avoid any actual apology. Not just "I'm sorry, I was an ass" but "I'm sorry you were offended that I was an ass."

It's not my apology to accept or reject anyway. I hope you are sincere. I'm not judging: again, I'm not on the eggshells and never will be. I'm sorry if you were so offended that you thought I thought you were offended that I was defending the offended when in fact the offended had every right, through no fault of the offended's own, to be offended by the offense laid before her...not because of some inherent problems in the offended's perception of offense but because the offense was pretty fucking offensive. Or something.

Pico and ME · 01-05-2011, 01:38 PM

What I meant was the list people in the politics forum who you had no qualms about insulting and you often went to the insulting tactic pretty quickly. You may have conveniently compartmentalized your political discussions, but on a board like this it is hard for other people to do so.

footfootfoot · 01-05-2011, 01:41 PM

I have an "I'd hit that" list. And you are all on it. yeah, baby.
/austin powers

Shawnee123 · 01-05-2011, 01:46 PM

I could go for a hit right now but not the kind you're thinking of.

Unless you're Gravdigr then you know what kind I'm thinking of.

footfootfoot · 01-05-2011, 01:47 PM

No, but I knew the kind you were thinking of.

Shawnee123 · 01-05-2011, 01:48 PM

You're Carnac The Magnificent!

TheMercenary · 01-05-2011, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

What I meant was the list people in the politics forum who you had no qualms about insulting and you often went to the insulting tactic pretty quickly. You may have conveniently compartmentalized your political discussions, but on a board like this it is hard for other people to do so.

Ok, I accept that.

TheMercenary · 01-05-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Merc, I don't want to argue semantics with you. It's how I perceived the bolded above. It's an old communication trick, apologizing because someone got hurt not because you did the hurting (not saying anyone was hurt or not hurt but am trying to get the convo away from the whole cunt mess) is typically a little dance step to avoid any actual apology. Not just "I'm sorry, I was an ass" but "I'm sorry you were offended that I was an ass."

It's not my apology to accept or reject anyway. I hope you are sincere. I'm not judging: again, I'm not on the eggshells and never will be. I'm sorry if you were so offended that you thought I thought you were offended that I was defending the offended when in fact the offended had every right, through no fault of the offended's own, to be offended by the offense laid before her...not because of some inherent problems in the offended's perception of offense but because the offense was pretty fucking offensive. Or something.

I am not trying to "trick" anyone. I am not doing any "little dance step". How can you say I avoided any apology when I just did so?

I stopped being offended by you years ago.

I accept that you have your own perceptions about what transpired between me and Pico or anyone else on this Forum. As long as you accept that not everyone agrees with you and you only speak for yourself. Each individual should do that and you shouldn't judge me based on who I do or do not get along with in the politics thread.

Shawnee123 · 01-05-2011, 01:56 PM

You've missed every point I've made. Sigh. IT'S an old communication trick. YOU and IT are not interchangeable. I still feel it holds true but was giving you the benefit of the doubt that my perception could be wrong.

Yet you come back with: but but but you are speaking for yourself.

I was speaking for no one but me, though I have no problems rising up in defense of people I admire, if need be. And the need, it has be, it has be very much, in the past.

No, I only judge people by how they treat me. Let's take that statement back a notch: I will form opinions, too, when I still see dismissive name-calling (socialist POV. You're forgiven) no matter how purty you make it.

But from a ME standpoint: In the past, and in the present, it's been A-Dog-Number-One-Crap, from you, to me.

I don't care. I'm just not going to crawl around the Emperor's New Throne. I might fart on it, though.

DanaC · 01-05-2011, 01:58 PM

At the risk of tromping in where I shouldn't...

I am sorry if I offended you -v- I am sorry if you were offended.

There is a distinct difference between the two. One denotes an action by the person apologising (giving offence) whilst the other, in its passive form, places the action elsewhere (being offended).

It is a semantic difference; but semantics are important. The passive usage of verbs is there for a reason; it fulfils a particular linguistic need.

I made a mistake -v- a mistake was made.

You may not have intended, deliberately to remove blame from yourself within your apology, but the language you used to express your apology did exactly that.

sexobon · 01-05-2011, 01:59 PM

Whoever becomes the new moderator will actually have to read through this kind of drivel on a fairly regular basis; so, I'm going to vote for someone I don't like. BTW, has Shawnee123 been nominated yet?

01-05-2011, 01:41 PM	#67
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I have an "I'd hit that" list. And you are all on it. yeah, baby. /austin powers __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

01-05-2011, 01:46 PM	#68
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I could go for a hit right now but not the kind you're thinking of. Unless you're Gravdigr then you know what kind I'm thinking of. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-05-2011, 01:47 PM	#69
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	No, but I knew the kind you were thinking of. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

01-05-2011, 01:48 PM	#70
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	You're Carnac The Magnificent! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-05-2011, 01:56 PM	#73
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	You've missed every point I've made. Sigh. IT'S an old communication trick. YOU and IT are not interchangeable. I still feel it holds true but was giving you the benefit of the doubt that my perception could be wrong. Yet you come back with: but but but you are speaking for yourself. I was speaking for no one but me, though I have no problems rising up in defense of people I admire, if need be. And the need, it has be, it has be very much, in the past. No, I only judge people by how they treat me. Let's take that statement back a notch: I will form opinions, too, when I still see dismissive name-calling (socialist POV. You're forgiven) no matter how purty you make it. But from a ME standpoint: In the past, and in the present, it's been A-Dog-Number-One-Crap, from you, to me. I don't care. I'm just not going to crawl around the Emperor's New Throne. I might fart on it, though. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-05-2011, 01:26 PM	#61
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Merc, I would have developed the same opinion of you even without you adding me to your hit list. Its only recently that you started cleaning up your act...and I attribute that to the results of the last election and maybe on that recent cellar intervention. If you maintain, then good for you.

01-05-2011, 01:38 PM	#66
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	What I meant was the list people in the politics forum who you had no qualms about insulting and you often went to the insulting tactic pretty quickly. You may have conveniently compartmentalized your political discussions, but on a board like this it is hard for other people to do so.

01-05-2011, 01:59 PM	#75
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Whoever becomes the new moderator will actually have to read through this kind of drivel on a fairly regular basis; so, I'm going to vote for someone I don't like. BTW, has Shawnee123 been nominated yet?

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