Suddenly, the U.S. Religious Right Doesn't Look So Bad

Troubleshooter · 07-19-2005, 10:02 AM

http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2005...y_the_us.shtml

Suddenly, the U.S. Religious Right Doesn't Look So Bad

From the Wash Times:

Hard-line Islamic clerics in a northern Indian village have declared that a woman's 10-year-old marriage was nullified when her father-in-law raped her -- and ordered the mother of five to marry the rapist.

The fatwa, or religious edict, was issued by Darool Uloom Deoband, South Asia's most powerful Islamic theological school known for promoting a radical brand of Islam that is said to have inspired the Taliban in Afghanistan....

The fatwa ordered Imrana Ilahi, 28, to separate from her husband and treat him as her son because she had sex with his father....

Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mulayam Singh on June 29 supported the fatwa, saying: "The decision of the Muslim religious leaders in the Imrana case must have been taken after a lot of thought....The religious leaders are all very learned and they understand the Muslim community and its sentiments."

Whole horrible story--which has been protested by many Muslims along with other Indians--here.

The response of Ilahi's husband is worth noting: "My father is dirty and you are clean. I still love you and I cannot desert you." The Ilahis and their five children have fled their hometown.
Posted by Nick Gillespie at July 19, 2005 09:31 AM

Clodfobble · 07-19-2005, 10:22 AM

So... couldn't she marry the father-in-law, and then have sex with her ex-husband, thereby nullifying THAT marriage and being ordered to marry her husband again? I would expect them to kill her for having sex with another man, not order her to marry him.

wolf · 07-19-2005, 10:40 AM

They could have ordered her to be killed, so this is a more humane option.

Troubleshooter · 07-19-2005, 11:32 AM

Doesn't make it any more sane though.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-19-2005, 07:14 PM

Now, now, you have to realize that people in other parts of the world don't follow the same precepts you do and their customs may seem strange to you. But you have to learn to accept people's beliefs if they work for them. Kumbya.

btw, The father and every one of the judges should die a slow and painful death for being so fucking stupid.

salinaspaul · 07-20-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But you have to learn to accept people's beliefs if they work for them. Kumbya... btw, The father and every one of the judges should die a slow and painful death for being so fucking stupid.

these two statements kinda contradict each other, no? Also, these 'beliefs' don't seem to work for the husband and wife much.

Troubleshooter · 07-20-2005, 12:17 PM

Gamblers caned under Sharia law
From correspondents in Aceh
24jun05

FIFTEEN men convicted of gambling have been caned in public in the first implementation of corporal punishment since Indonesia's staunchly-Muslim province of Aceh adopted Islamic law in 2003.

An official dressed in a green robe and a green hood administered between six and 10 strokes of a rattan cane to the convicts in an event that drew a large crowd and was broadcast live by a private Jakarta-based news channel.

The punishment was carried out on a specially erected stage outside a mosque in the district of Bireuen after Friday prayers.

Aceh acting governor Azwar Abu Bakar was present and hugged the convicts after they received the punishment.

Clodfobble · 07-20-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by salinaspaul

these two statements kinda contradict each other, no? Also, these 'beliefs' don't seem to work for the husband and wife much.

The first one was sarcastic. I don't think I've ever heard anyone use the word "Kumbaya" in a serious manner.

wolf · 07-20-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Aceh acting governor Azwar Abu Bakar was present and hugged the convicts after they received the punishment.

Isn't it customary to hug after a good caning? That's what I ... uh, I've heard people do ...

07-20-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Isn't it customary to hug after a good caning? That's what I ... uh, I've heard people do ...

The punishment was carried out on a specially erected stage outside a mosque in the district of Bireuen after Friday prayers.

I checked my Ms. Manners book and she says only if you've said the prayers first. Then its OK to hug the canees.

tw · 07-20-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

btw, The father and every one of the judges should die a slow and painful death for being so fucking stupid.

How can it be stupid if religion says what is right and what is wrong? How can it be stupid that 8% of priests would be pedophiles and the Pope does virtually nothing to solve the problem? How can it be stupid to send a Children's Crusade to save the Holy Lands only because the church says so? How can it be stupid when the Oracle of Delphi tells man what he must do? How can it be stupid when people are tortured and murdered in the name of a god - the Spanish Inquisition? At least nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition .... So why are they stupid only because they blindly believe their religion?

Maybe the problem is religion itself? Or are religious people just that stupid? Questions that may appear to be facetious - or maybe not.

mrnoodle · 07-20-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Maybe the problem is religion itself? Or are religious people just that stupid? Questions that may appear to be facetious - or maybe not.

People are just that stupid. Take away all religion, and people will find other causes to hide behind while they steal, kill, rape, hate, cheat, and otherwise abuse each other. Take away their guns, they use knives and sticks. Take away all money, they'll kill over livestock. Someone will always exist who wants to hurt you because it makes them feel better or because it gets them something.

God doesn't do this stuff, we do it.

Troubleshooter · 07-20-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Maybe the problem is religion itself? Or are religious people just that stupid? Questions that may appear to be facetious - or maybe not.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

xoxoxoBruce · 07-20-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by salinaspaul

these two statements kinda contradict each other, no? Also, these 'beliefs' don't seem to work for the husband and wife much.

Ah, you learn real quick.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-20-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Isn't it customary to hug after a good caning? That's what I ... uh, I've heard people do ...

First you put a good coat of salt on your hands.....the you hug the canees

07-19-2005, 10:02 AM	#1
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Suddenly, the U.S. Religious Right Doesn't Look So Bad http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2005...y_the_us.shtml Suddenly, the U.S. Religious Right Doesn't Look So Bad From the Wash Times: Hard-line Islamic clerics in a northern Indian village have declared that a woman's 10-year-old marriage was nullified when her father-in-law raped her -- and ordered the mother of five to marry the rapist. The fatwa, or religious edict, was issued by Darool Uloom Deoband, South Asia's most powerful Islamic theological school known for promoting a radical brand of Islam that is said to have inspired the Taliban in Afghanistan.... The fatwa ordered Imrana Ilahi, 28, to separate from her husband and treat him as her son because she had sex with his father.... Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mulayam Singh on June 29 supported the fatwa, saying: "The decision of the Muslim religious leaders in the Imrana case must have been taken after a lot of thought....The religious leaders are all very learned and they understand the Muslim community and its sentiments." Whole horrible story--which has been protested by many Muslims along with other Indians--here. The response of Ilahi's husband is worth noting: "My father is dirty and you are clean. I still love you and I cannot desert you." The Ilahis and their five children have fled their hometown. Posted by Nick Gillespie at July 19, 2005 09:31 AM __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	They could have ordered her to be killed, so this is a more humane option. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Doesn't make it any more sane though. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

07-19-2005, 07:14 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Now, now, you have to realize that people in other parts of the world don't follow the same precepts you do and their customs may seem strange to you. But you have to learn to accept people's beliefs if they work for them. Kumbya. btw, The father and every one of the judges should die a slow and painful death for being so fucking stupid. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-20-2005, 12:17 PM	#7
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	The prevalence of Sharia Law Gamblers caned under Sharia law From correspondents in Aceh 24jun05 FIFTEEN men convicted of gambling have been caned in public in the first implementation of corporal punishment since Indonesia's staunchly-Muslim province of Aceh adopted Islamic law in 2003. An official dressed in a green robe and a green hood administered between six and 10 strokes of a rattan cane to the convicts in an event that drew a large crowd and was broadcast live by a private Jakarta-based news channel. The punishment was carried out on a specially erected stage outside a mosque in the district of Bireuen after Friday prayers. Aceh acting governor Azwar Abu Bakar was present and hugged the convicts after they received the punishment. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

07-19-2005, 10:22 AM	#2
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	So... couldn't she marry the father-in-law, and then have sex with her ex-husband, thereby nullifying THAT marriage and being ordered to marry her husband again? I would expect them to kill her for having sex with another man, not order her to marry him.

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