we'll be dancing on Thatcher's grave - Page 2

DanaC · 12-19-2006, 04:28 AM

Urbane, Thatcher did not bring the welfare state to an end. We still have unemployment benefit, income support, disability, housing benefit, tax relief and pensions. That is because the British people do not want to end their welfare entitlements. The vast majority of people who claim such assistance do so for short periods of time whilst in difficult circumstances. A small percentage of overall claimants are long term and usually that's because they have severe needs or problems. What people in the UK want is for the system to be fair and accessible and for those who defraud it to be caught and prosecuted. (incidentally, one of our councillors has just been found guilty of benefit fraud.....he's BNP.....he was given 200 hours community service and because there was no custodial sentence he won't even have to stand down as a Councillor.

What she did, was make it very difficult to get any assistance at a time when her policies had created 4 million unemployed. That was unforgivable. The jobs were not there, the new industries had not yet arrived and people had not yet retrained. Whole communities were left in abject poverty. At precisely the time the country most needed succour, she offered instead soundbites about there being 'no such thing as society' and demonised the most vulnerable groups. The Conservative party have spent the intervening years desperately trying to convince the public that they have changed, because it was so unpopular.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-19-2006, 11:27 PM

And yet, is not the trend now away from the continuance of the Welfare State? And somebody did that. (And no, I wouldn't expect the process to be complete. Rome was neither built nor burnt in a day.)

DanaC · 12-20-2006, 05:02 PM

Actually, the trend is towards better protection. There is a large swell of opinion which suggests that the electorate are broadly in favour of better pensions and better unemployment provisions.

Phil · 12-21-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Actually, the trend is towards better protection. There is a large swell of opinion which suggests that the electorate are broadly in favour of better pensions and better unemployment provisions.

agreed, but for people living with disability and sickness, the govt is putting far more stringent criteria in place to meet the requirement for Disabled Living Allowance etc. I see why, but again, it's the people who need it the most who will suffer.

DanaC · 12-21-2006, 12:23 PM

Oh i agree. What's interesting to me, is that the extra stringent approach is so unpopular, especially when it relates to disabled allowances.

Phil · 12-21-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Oh i agree. What's interesting to me, is that the extra stringent approach is so unpopular, especially when it relates to disabled allowances.

if the Old Witch was still in power, there probably wouldnt be a welfare state at all, and definitely no NHS, which is so close to privatisation it might just as well be up for sale.

DanaC · 12-21-2006, 12:50 PM

Actually, I think our glorious leader has successfully privatised more than the tories would have dared, or dreamed possible.

barefoot serpent · 12-21-2006, 01:20 PM

what a bunch of ungrateful tossers... if it wasn't for ol' Maggie, your lot would all be working on collective farms and speaking Russian.

DanaC · 12-21-2006, 01:22 PM

And then Urbane would have to invade us and impose democracy :P

Phil · 12-21-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by barefoot serpent

what a bunch of ungrateful tossers... if it wasn't for ol' Maggie, your lot would all be working on collective farms and speaking Russian.

whats your point? :p

DanaC · 12-21-2006, 02:20 PM

I'd love to learn Russian.....lovely sounding language.

JayMcGee · 12-21-2006, 07:05 PM

pravda will out.......

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-23-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

And then Urbane would have to invade us and impose democracy :P

And speak Russian at you in the process... "Kak vy pozhivaete, druzya?"

Given the way this BBS reacts if you try and encode a special character by ASCII with the Alt-and-keypad method (don't try it, it goes crazy and dumps you to some other page) I'm not going to try typing Cyrillic here.

Pangloss62 · 12-28-2006, 09:59 AM

Hey, will you guys play Motorhead's Dancing On Your Grave When you do the actual dancing? That would be cool.

Sundae · 12-28-2006, 10:20 AM

Tramp the Dirt Down for me (as per Ibram's post)

My friend and I have been anticipating this since Spike came out (the album) in 1989

12-19-2006, 11:27 PM	#17
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	And yet, is not the trend now away from the continuance of the Welfare State? And somebody did that. (And no, I wouldn't expect the process to be complete. Rome was neither built nor burnt in a day.) __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-21-2006, 01:20 PM	#23
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	what a bunch of ungrateful tossers... if it wasn't for ol' Maggie, your lot would all be working on collective farms and speaking Russian. __________________ Chooses rowing vs. wading

12-21-2006, 07:05 PM	#27
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12-28-2006, 09:59 AM	#29
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Music For The Occasion Hey, will you guys play Motorhead's Dancing On Your Grave When you do the actual dancing? That would be cool. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

12-28-2006, 10:20 AM	#30
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Tramp the Dirt Down for me (as per Ibram's post) My friend and I have been anticipating this since Spike came out (the album) in 1989 __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

12-19-2006, 04:28 AM	#16
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Urbane, Thatcher did not bring the welfare state to an end. We still have unemployment benefit, income support, disability, housing benefit, tax relief and pensions. That is because the British people do not want to end their welfare entitlements. The vast majority of people who claim such assistance do so for short periods of time whilst in difficult circumstances. A small percentage of overall claimants are long term and usually that's because they have severe needs or problems. What people in the UK want is for the system to be fair and accessible and for those who defraud it to be caught and prosecuted. (incidentally, one of our councillors has just been found guilty of benefit fraud.....he's BNP.....he was given 200 hours community service and because there was no custodial sentence he won't even have to stand down as a Councillor. What she did, was make it very difficult to get any assistance at a time when her policies had created 4 million unemployed. That was unforgivable. The jobs were not there, the new industries had not yet arrived and people had not yet retrained. Whole communities were left in abject poverty. At precisely the time the country most needed succour, she offered instead soundbites about there being 'no such thing as society' and demonised the most vulnerable groups. The Conservative party have spent the intervening years desperately trying to convince the public that they have changed, because it was so unpopular.

12-20-2006, 05:02 PM	#18
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Actually, the trend is towards better protection. There is a large swell of opinion which suggests that the electorate are broadly in favour of better pensions and better unemployment provisions.

12-21-2006, 12:23 PM	#20
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Oh i agree. What's interesting to me, is that the extra stringent approach is so unpopular, especially when it relates to disabled allowances.

12-21-2006, 12:50 PM	#22
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Actually, I think our glorious leader has successfully privatised more than the tories would have dared, or dreamed possible.

12-21-2006, 01:22 PM	#24
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	And then Urbane would have to invade us and impose democracy :P

12-21-2006, 02:20 PM	#26
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I'd love to learn Russian.....lovely sounding language.

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