Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

[Radar]

Redux: UG is an extremist but is absolutely NOT a libertarian. He's just a fascist asshole. His views are absolutely NOT libertarian. He doesn't know the meaning of the word libertarian, and this means he also knows nothing about what socialism is. He's just an insignificant little turd with a big mouth who knows nothing, but thinks he knows everything. Like most neocon fascist 'tards, he thinks supporting economic conservatism (something the Republicans are no better at than Democrats) makes him a libertarian.

He is clueless about politics domestically and internationally. He knows nothing about history. He's completely dishonest and cowardly. He talks about IQ points when mine are at least double what his are, and that doesn't even make me above average. He's a half-wit.

Don't try to put this braying jackass into the libertarian camp. We don't want him any more than you do. His warped, twisted, backward, and uneducated views are absolutely not libertarian and are beyond stupid.

He's too dumb to even know when I've nailed him to the wall, or too gutless and dishonest to admit it.

He belongs in the Constitution party (aka American Independent Party), because they are equally insane and fascist as him. He would fit in perfectly with them.

Originally Posted by Radar

Redux: UG is an extremist but is absolutely NOT a libertarian. He's just a fascist asshole. His views are absolutely NOT libertarian. He doesn't know the meaning of the word libertarian, and this means he also knows nothing about what socialism is. He's just an insignificant little turd with a big mouth who knows nothing, but thinks he knows everything. Like most neocon fascist 'tards, he thinks supporting economic conservatism (something the Republicans are no better at than Democrats) makes him a libertarian.

He is clueless about politics domestically and internationally. He knows nothing about history. He's completely dishonest and cowardly. He talks about IQ points when mine are at least double what his are, and that doesn't even make me above average. He's a half-wit.

Don't try to put this braying jackass into the libertarian camp. We don't want him any more than you do. His warped, twisted, backward, and uneducated views are absolutely not libertarian and are beyond stupid.

He's too dumb to even know when I've nailed him to the wall, or too gutless and dishonest to admit it.

He belongs in the Constitution party (aka American Independent Party), because they are equally insane and fascist as him. He would fit in perfectly with them.

Radar....I know its tempting to get in the gutter with UG when he attacks and demeans the intelligence of those who dont share his view of the world.

I think its more fun to hit him from above with facts that he cant refute and wait for his lame attempts to justify his extremism as somehow being mainstream and more "American."

And all who watch the exchange know that he is in over his head.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Ignore Radar. His tumor of an ego prevents use of that intelligence he vaunts. Libertarianism did not fit his tyrannous nature anyway, and he's abandoned it. With Radar, midbrain always trumps forebrain. The poor fool thought Obama was some description of libertarian. Precisely none of Obama's policy initiatives bear this out, and I'm confident none will.

Nor can Radar point to one single post where he's actually nailed anyone to the wall, let alone someone like me whose personality does not militate against his intellect. You may ignore Radar because he is delusional. Press him to show proof of nailing me to anything, and he will weasel frantically, probably ending up by hurling abuse at you. His ideas are defective, and no defective thought can dismay me.

I suppose it bears repeating, to pierce through your reluctance to learn, Redux: whether I want it or not, I seem to have become Middle America. Happens with age, I guess. I have not experienced a great deal of trouble refuting you yet.

I have a great deal to teach you: that your posture towards Islamofascist terrorism is one of moral cowardice and unbecoming a Jew; that socialism will act to destroy the Republic, not enhance it; that progun attitudes are antigenocide attitudes (must set about composing that essay, with refs, as I promised); that white liberal guilt is not the road of virtue; that tested values seem the only worthy ones. The essence of the conservative ideology is not a pigheaded antipathy towards the new, but that one should keep the tested things that work well, not throwing out the baby with the bathwater in order to make room for something new just because it is novel. New, fresh notions have the potential to be good -- but they must actually fulfill that potential, stand the test of time and virtue, to be at all worthwhile.

What can you teach me except what taking the wrong road looks like? Your body of writing adds up to quite the cautionary tale for the man who looks behind the curtain.

UG...when will you take your own advice?

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

When will you behave like a man, not a child? When will you show quality? When will you show courage?

Why cant you address the issues like a man and not a child?

Please explain how temporary bail-outs to address an economic crisis equate to a permanent government take-over of all means of production in the interest of the workers....completely different goals.

Explain how health care reform with a significant reliance on the private sector is socialism....as opposed to a single payer, government subsidized system for all.

How is Obama's war in Afghanistan a socialist ideal when a socialist would call for the immediate closing of all U.S. military facilities at home and abroad.

A socialist would also demand the immediate withdrawal from NAFTA....have you seen that in the Obama/Democratic policy statements.

Socialists oppose the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO.....does Obama?

Explain how government environmental regulation is socialism....NOT government ownership of environmental resources as a socialist would support.

How is Obama's support of the Patriot Act representative of socialism?

I could go on...but address these first, please.

added:

You are intentionally or ignorantly blurring the lines between socialism (as a political rather than economic ideology) and liberalism because they share a few common ideals -- workers rights to organize, civil rights and gender equity, consumer protections, etc -- in much the same manner that libertarians (at least those on the right) and conservatives share a few common ideals -- absolute gun rights, deportation of all illegal immigrants, industry self-regulation, etc.

Its a cheap trick and doesnt fly.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Redux

Radar....I know its tempting to get in the gutter with UG when he attacks and demeans the intelligence of those who dont share his view of the world.

I think its more fun to hit him from above with facts that he cant refute and wait for his lame attempts to justify his extremism as somehow being mainstream and more "American."

And all who watch the exchange know that he is in over his head.

It's not a matter of getting into the gutter. I made a wholly accurate statement by letting you know that UG is in no way a libertarian. Not in the slightest. His fascist views, bigotry, complete lack of any common sense, understanding of history, science, current events, politics (domestic or international), the U.S. Constitution, the founders of America, etc. prove the adage that those with the least to say talk the most and the loudest. He has shown that he is incapable of coming up with a single cogent thought or rational argument to support any of his disgusting and anti-american positions.

He is genuinely clueless. It's laughable that he considers his warped, twisted, backwards, and extremist views to be "middle-America". He is middle-America the same way that Charles Manson is middle-America.

I do beat him up with the facts. I get the added satisfaction of rubbing his nose in it with a little insult added to that injury and I intellectually stomp his stupid ass into the ground each and every single time we've ever had a conversation on anything.

He wants to know where I've nailed him to the wall. The answer is in EVERY SINGLE POST where we've had any discussion. ALL OF THEM, including this one.

[monkeytaco]

I think Obama should have won the Nobel Peace Prize.

[ZenGum]

Hiya Monkeytaco! to the cellar. Would it be polite to offer you a banana or something?

I hope you're less bananas than the last newb we picked up.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

No, you don't beat me up with facts, Radar. Never once, and you'll never be able to link to a post where you did anything of the kind. Everybody knows that but you. I know it, Redux knows it, Bruce knows it, Griff knows it, Classicman knows it.

A big part of how libertarian my thinking is is measured in how little it resembles your thinking, which is solely about gratifying your narcissism and your narcissistically disordered personality. I have a broader view and wider concerns than my precious amour propre. You are so unlettered in psychology that you psychologically project your narcissism onto me, like a man who has never heard enough of it to be wary of it.

Indeed, your wild remarks show you have no wariness left. You're out beyond Pluto, past Eris, trying to find the buckle on the Kuiper Belt. You're merely throwing an uncomplimentary word salad my way in the hope something might stick, and are speaking without sense. This is why you don't have friends, Radar: you're dishonest, deep in denial, and you just plain don't get humanity, on some deep level. I know you, and I dislike you, as any man not two-fifths insane would.

[Radar]

Ahhh, now our unlibertarian, pathologically lying, psychotic, narcissist accuses me of having no friends. I certainly have more friends on the cellar and everywhere else than he does, but that really doesn't matter. Now he demands a link to the posts where I've nailed him to the wall with facts, logic, reason, and an intellect superior to a hundred of his own.

As I've said before, that would be each and every single post where I have addressed him directly. He'll deny it because his "amour propre" (self-esteem to those of us not trying to impress people with our word of the day calendar) is actually an unhealthy narcissism he most likely developed in response to a well-deserved inferiority complex. I say well-deserved because he actually is inferior, not only to myself but to any human being with an IQ over 50. I could literally become the wealthiest man on earth if I could buy UG for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth.

Here's a link to my posts. The search by key word isn't working so you'll have to comb through the ones where you are addressed. The truth is he can't come up with a single thread where we were having a discussion where I didn't destroy him.

http://cellar.org/search.php?searchid=1978554

UG claims to know me and dislike me. This is true. He knows me as the man who repeatedly and unmercifully destroys each and every single one of his feeble attempts to argue against me on each and every single topic he's ever tried to discuss. He knows me as the man who owns him. He knows me as his daddy because I constantly dish out spankings to this dishonest, gutless, worthless, waste of human flesh without an ounce of honor, integrity, honesty, or intellect.

This is also why he doesn't like me. It bothers him that I'm showing everyone that his ego is the size of the Hindenburg but his true worth is the size of the fart bubbles he bites when in the bath. He can't stand me interfering with his delusions of grandeur....or delusions of adequacy for that matter.

Every uncomplimentary remark I've made does stick to him because they are all accurate descriptions of him.

He has no grasp of reality or real human behavior among those of us who aren't clinically insane like him. He genuinely believes he represents the "norm" in society when they more accurately represent the norm in an asylum for the criminally insane.

He likes to think he's a libertarian but he has no comprehension whatsoever of what that means. He is clueless about libertarianism as he is about most things. He is too witless and stupid to comprehend the truth that President Obama, while not a libertarian, was more libertarian than any of the other candidates running for President. At least those who had any realistic shot of winning or who appeared on the ballot in all 50 states.

He's a troll every bit as much as Emma, but Emma has an excuse for her ignorance, backward philosophy, and anti-American attitudes. She's a stupid kid. UG, on the other hand, has had to work hard to remain that wantonly stupid. He's purposefully avoided anything remotely resembling the truth, facts, logic, reason, accurate historical records, current events and geopolitical conditions. Even when presented with the truth and having his feeble arguments shattered into a million pieces, he simply denies losing the argument and continues spreading lies, propaganda, and stupidity.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Hiya Monkeytaco! to the cellar. Would it be polite to offer you a banana or something?

I hope you're less bananas than the last newb we picked up.

From the thread Monkeytaco just posted, I am guessing this is the last newb.

[Griff]

Actually a sock-puppet of the temporarily banned.

[classicman]

Yeh! The celebration is not far off. . .

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Radar, your intellect remains in ruins, brought low by your personality. (I will never know what that is like. Sounds terrible.) Not one of your posts exhibits the superiority you claim and your mind is therefore disordered, your thinking invalid. There is no proof of your excellence, and much of your narcissism -- in all that.

I see you're working up on psychologically projecting "clinically insane," too. Jeezus, are you ever wretched at this. No common sense at all. Not that I'm actually disappointed; datapoints on your madness are helpful -- to me anyway.

Your argument for your position amounts to "did too did too did too," you childish, grotesquely aberrant Obama-believer. There is no libertarianism whatsoever in Obama's soul, Administration, Cabinet, political philosophy, or policymaking -- and I know you shall never show the contrary. You believe he's libertarian, but what of that? You cannot even show libertarianism in yourself; it does not connect with the one thing that ever mattered to you: your unbalanced ego and your utter lack of people skills, which make you incapable at either forensics or politics. You are incompetent. You are not permitted any input into whether I am a libertarian or no, and you insist on offending on that score, rather than accepting that which you cannot change and should not change. Your egotism does not sufficiently impress me to make any difference in what or how I think, or the quality of my thought, which will ever be better ordered than yours, as evidenced by the words you write. Your whole body of work here does not add up to excellent thought -- after all, you were the one voting for Obama under the belief he was the libertarians' best candidate, but it is now clear you are a supporter of nanny-state socialism. Were it otherwise, you would have voted for the Republican, an act of which for no reason you are incapable.

Well, enough. I don't need the last word, so long as I may have the best. No doubt I will continue to brush you aside for a while yet, as is your deserts.

[Radar]

In other words... blah blah blah blah narcissistic personality disorder...blah blah blah....word of the day....blah blah blah I'm a libertarian...no really.....blah blah blah Obama isn't a libertarian.....blah blah blah....you did not prove me wrong......blah blah blah...nuh uh....blah blah blah....


Time to come up with a new act sport, this one is worn out.

I'd love to see you eventually post a single original thought or well-organized and cogent argument rather than idiotic ramblings and incoherent blathering. It would be nice to finally be challenged by you rather than just swatting you like a fly. I'd love it if you could logically justify a single one of your positions, but you can't. You are wrong on the issues, you try to use lies and propaganda to justify your untenable position, and because you are the antithesis of libertarianism, you think war mongers with a long history of corruption like Mr. Keating 5 McCain are more libertarian than a President who supports the freedom to do what you want with your body and who actually tells the truth to the American people.

UG, you're a fucking joke. You're a puppet. I wind you up and make you dance at my whim. I've owned you from the day you first ran your stupid mouth and I'll continue to own you and destroy your weak arguments effortlessly until you leave this site or you die. I know who you are when you're posting here or anywhere else because your stupidity, and dishonesty shines through.

[ZenGum]

Oh well, just being polite.