Which one of you cowards is Ferd Sheed? - Page 8

Undertoad · 04-20-2016, 09:04 PM

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"some of his best friends are trans"

earlier

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many people think that they do not know any trans folks

ya dumb jagoff.

Undertoad · 04-20-2016, 09:08 PM

So ARE we talking about crossdressers, or are we not? Who gets included in the cut, and why?

Flint · 04-20-2016, 09:11 PM

You lost me. What thing that you are saying I am saying am I supposed to be responding to?

Undertoad · 04-20-2016, 09:13 PM

There are lots of possibilities, but for the sake of this thread, who is "Trans" enough to get to go in a women's restroom?

Flint · 04-20-2016, 09:15 PM

Why don't you tell me what you think my position is.

Undertoad · 04-20-2016, 09:16 PM

I'm out.

Flint · 04-20-2016, 09:16 PM

That was weird. Are we reading different threads?

Flint · 04-20-2016, 09:23 PM

Anyway that was cool how UT berated me for not having a political discussion in his sandbox, then we were having one, then he awesomely shut it down with his superior perspective, which he totally slammed my dumb, inferior perspective with, which totally isn't the asshole thing he was accusing me of to begin with.

sexobon · 04-20-2016, 10:07 PM

xoxoxoBruce · 04-20-2016, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Are you trolling me?

I don't troll.
I'm said when I heard this was happening, I didn't hear a reason why from the people doing it, so I had to make up a logical reason and related what it was.

Really no different from all the people who are speculating on the motive, and predicting dire consequences, except they're doing it with gusto.

Flint · 04-20-2016, 11:21 PM

Hmm, ok. Well thanks for sharing. I'll think on it.

DanaC · 04-21-2016, 04:00 AM

What worries me most about this proposed law is this:

The potential dangers of men going into a female bathroom (which, lets face it is what this is about - I don't think the people passing the law give much of a shit about women going into a men's bathroom) and using the legal right of trans women to use that bathroom as somehow a cover for their nefarious attempts to peep on or attack women seems pretty low to me. I don't have any figures to hand, but I imagine that the number of such incidents would be vanishingly small.

On the other hand, the danger to a transwoman who is in the process of transitioning, or has transitioned and doesn't 'pass' as female to others, of going into a male bathroom whilst dressed and presenting as female seems pretty clear to me. The number of incidents of transwomen having the shit beaten out of them by people who find their gender non-comformity fundamentally and personally threatening, when taken as a percentage of the trans population is frighteningly high.

Legally obliging transwomen to use male bathrooms would, in my opinion, force them to either: run a very dangerous gauntlet in a purely male environment which could well end up with them being assaulted and seriously injured, or not use public restrooms at all.

[eta] to clarify: I think such laws risk replacing a vanishingly small risk of harm to an individual, with a much greater risk of harm to an individual.

Undertoad · 04-21-2016, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Anyway that was cool how UT berated me for not having a political discussion in his sandbox, then we were having one

I berated you for calling people out here and using their real name, and using OUR community (not MINE; it's owned by J.R. "Bob" Dobbs) as your personal occasional message service, to reach Facebook friends who are not your friends, and for not actually influencing anyone at all or having a discussion at all but having a political tantrum against someone you barely know which is pathetic masturbatory behavior and I know because I've done a shit ton of it.

If you want me to weigh in, have a discussion. I don't think that's actually happening here. I think it would take a lot of discipline which doesn't exist here and which people aren't really interested in. I believe we can learn by interacting with those we disagree with, but when we play games and masturbate there's no *actual* interaction.

Spexxvet · 04-21-2016, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Now if a trans goes in the ladies room, and on closer inspection, voice, hanging out rather than going in a stall then leaving, and obviously appears male, then all the ladies feel uncomfortable. Now we've traded one person being uncomfortable for several being uncomfortable. That's where noble vs practical comes in my mind.

Replace "trans" with "black" and "ladies" with "whites only" and it changes the whole tenor.

I'm with Dana. Other than the discomfort people have with non-conformists, the issue is with people (men, apparently, because we're all deviates

) pretending to be trans in order to do something creepy to women. At least that's what I think has caused the legislation.

glatt · 04-21-2016, 09:04 AM

We had coed bathrooms in college.

It was basically no big deal, except I didn't want to take a dump next to anyone, let alone a woman, so I would go over to a classroom building to take care of that particular business in a bathroom that was always empty. I'd brush my teeth, shower and pee next to women in the bathroom in my dorms though. (No urinals, stalls only.)

It took about a week to get used to when I was a freshman, but after that it was completely unremarkable. We were all about the same age though, and knew one another.

04-20-2016, 09:11 PM	#108
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	You lost me. What thing that you are saying I am saying am I supposed to be responding to? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-20-2016, 09:15 PM	#110
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Why don't you tell me what you think my position is. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-20-2016, 09:16 PM	#112
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	That was weird. Are we reading different threads? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-20-2016, 09:23 PM	#113
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Anyway that was cool how UT berated me for not having a political discussion in his sandbox, then we were having one, then he awesomely shut it down with his superior perspective, which he totally slammed my dumb, inferior perspective with, which totally isn't the asshole thing he was accusing me of to begin with. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-20-2016, 11:21 PM	#116
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Hmm, ok. Well thanks for sharing. I'll think on it. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

04-20-2016, 09:08 PM	#107
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	So ARE we talking about crossdressers, or are we not? Who gets included in the cut, and why?

04-20-2016, 09:13 PM	#109
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	There are lots of possibilities, but for the sake of this thread, who is "Trans" enough to get to go in a women's restroom?

04-20-2016, 09:16 PM	#111
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm out.

04-20-2016, 10:07 PM	#114
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793

04-21-2016, 09:04 AM	#120
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	We had coed bathrooms in college. It was basically no big deal, except I didn't want to take a dump next to anyone, let alone a woman, so I would go over to a classroom building to take care of that particular business in a bathroom that was always empty. I'd brush my teeth, shower and pee next to women in the bathroom in my dorms though. (No urinals, stalls only.) It took about a week to get used to when I was a freshman, but after that it was completely unremarkable. We were all about the same age though, and knew one another.

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