Executive Corruption and Pardons

Griff · 08-22-2006, 07:40 AM

There are many ways to measure the corruption of our system of government. One that measures the difference between actual executive power employed and the perceived opposition to it is the number of pardons granted at the end of a Presidents term. By this measure, FDR (3687), Wilson (2480), and Truman (2044) presided over the most corrupt executive expanding administrations so far. This is something to reflect on when you hear protestations by Democrats about Bushies abuse of executive authority. Is the Bush administration corrupt? Yes. Is he expanding the Executive's power far beyond what is Constitutional? Yes. Is this grasping unprecedented? No. The three Democratic Presidents listed are his precedent. My question is, are we so comfortable with the ever-expanding Executive that this President will not have to pardon extensively? Oh heck, let's have a poll we can look at in two years.

Spexxvet · 08-22-2006, 08:27 AM

As the ultimate hypocricy, this repubican president will exceed the number of pardons that Clinton granted.

Griff · 08-22-2006, 12:03 PM

I was suprised that Clinton was in the middle of the pack numbers wise.

Spexxvet · 08-23-2006, 08:28 AM

Yeah, the biased conservative media sure made it sound like he was out of the norm, didn't they?

Flint · 08-23-2006, 10:31 AM

But wait - I thought there was a liberal media conspiracy ?!

xoxoxoBruce · 08-23-2006, 12:44 PM

There are many reasons why a pardon might be justified, besides political clout.
Besides compassion for people incarcerated with extenuating hardship, sometimes the courts screw up or are bias, but a higher court can't fix it because of a catch 22.

More telling is who gets pardoned. Corrupt, convicted, members of the pardoning administration are the most offensive to me.

The worst...#1.....dirtiest, belongs to cocksucker. Gerald R. Ford, may he burn in the lowest depths of Hell.

View Poll Results: How many pardons will Bush issue?
4000+	2	18.18%
1001 - 3999	5	45.45%
501 - 1000	2	18.18%
100 - 500	1	9.09%
<100	1	9.09%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

08-22-2006, 08:27 AM	#2
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	As the ultimate hypocricy, this repubican president will exceed the number of pardons that Clinton granted. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-22-2006, 12:03 PM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I was suprised that Clinton was in the middle of the pack numbers wise. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-23-2006, 08:28 AM	#4
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Yeah, the biased conservative media sure made it sound like he was out of the norm, didn't they? __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-23-2006, 10:31 AM	#5
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	But wait - I thought there was a liberal media conspiracy ?! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-22-2006, 07:40 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Executive Corruption and Pardons There are many ways to measure the corruption of our system of government. One that measures the difference between actual executive power employed and the perceived opposition to it is the number of pardons granted at the end of a Presidents term. By this measure, FDR (3687), Wilson (2480), and Truman (2044) presided over the most corrupt executive expanding administrations so far. This is something to reflect on when you hear protestations by Democrats about Bushies abuse of executive authority. Is the Bush administration corrupt? Yes. Is he expanding the Executive's power far beyond what is Constitutional? Yes. Is this grasping unprecedented? No. The three Democratic Presidents listed are his precedent. My question is, are we so comfortable with the ever-expanding Executive that this President will not have to pardon extensively? Oh heck, let's have a poll we can look at in two years. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-23-2006, 12:44 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	There are many reasons why a pardon might be justified, besides political clout. Besides compassion for people incarcerated with extenuating hardship, sometimes the courts screw up or are bias, but a higher court can't fix it because of a catch 22. More telling is who gets pardoned. Corrupt, convicted, members of the pardoning administration are the most offensive to me. The worst...#1.....dirtiest, belongs to cocksucker. Gerald R. Ford, may he burn in the lowest depths of Hell. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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