Should the US have a third party?

SamIam · 10-31-2011, 05:13 PM

The British government of George III had more support from the original 13 colonies at the time of the US Revolution than the current US government does from its own citizens.

A recent New York Times poll found that a record 84 percent of Americans disapprove of how Congress is handling its job, the highest since the Times began polling in 1977. The poll further found that 89% of Americans distrust the government to do the right thing. That’s even higher disapproval than the ratings after the 1995 government shutdown.

These ratings make President Obama’s lackluster 46% approval rating seem like a love-in by comparison.

In addition, nearly all Americans remain fearful that the economy is stagnating or deteriorating further, and two-thirds of the public said that wealth should be distributed more evenly in the country. Seven in 10 Americans think the policies of congressional Republicans favor the rich. Two-thirds object to tax cuts for corporations and a similar number prefer increasing income taxes on millionaires.

At the same time as a majority of Americans are against corporate tax cuts, corporations have become persons and their rights are enforced under the 14th amendment – an amendment originally made to protect the rights of the freed slaves after the Civil War.

Not only have corporations become people, they get more money from the government than do the veterans who have served our country in the Iraq/Afghanistan and other wars. Financial and other institutions that were bail-out recipients still owe the taxpayer 94 billion dollars. By contrast, the entire annual budget for the Veteran’s Administration is 66.7 billion.

Who loves ya, baby? Congress will take the banks over the men and women who have served their country anytime.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies,” - Thomas Jefferson.

Where’s old Tom when we need him?

So, now what? Does the country need a third party untarnished by affiliation with the two current major parties and corporate interests? Is such a party even possible in present day America? What would the platform of a viable third party look like?

Thoughts?

HungLikeJesus · 10-31-2011, 05:19 PM

I think we need a Halloween party.

classicman · 10-31-2011, 07:05 PM

Yes, even though your sources are pretty biased.

SamIam · 10-31-2011, 07:23 PM

You're right. One of my sources is from the government itself!

classicman · 10-31-2011, 09:09 PM

like I said.

ZenGum · 10-31-2011, 09:14 PM

I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

richlevy · 10-31-2011, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum

I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

Bumper sticker nomination.

HungLikeJesus · 10-31-2011, 09:49 PM

I saw it on a car just last week.

classicman · 10-31-2011, 09:53 PM

Its been all over FB for months. Occupy has T-Shirts for sale and posters galore.
Its really been catching on as of late.

I also saw a button somewhere...

elSicomoro · 11-02-2011, 09:55 PM

Here's the problem with congressional disapproval...

"I fucking hate Congress...but my Congressman is awesome!"

And there you go. If people would just say, "You know, you all suck and have to go," then we might see some real changes.

SamIam · 11-02-2011, 11:17 PM

Well, I for one have no respect what-so-ever for anyone currently "serving" in Congress. The incredible cost of an effective election campaign ensures the corruption of anyone elected. No one can get into congress without spending millions. Special interests step in to fill the war chests and incidently buy themselves a congressman.

My congressman can smile and shake hands with the best of them, but his soul belongs to the Cattleman's Association and Coors beer along with a couple of giant financial outfits.

glatt · 11-03-2011, 07:33 AM

My congressman is an idiot. But I've voted for him in every general election. I've voted against him the one time someone challenged him in a primary, but the challenger was actually worse than my congressman was, and he lost. I voted for him just because a change would have been good.

Today my congressman was in the paper because he was introducing a circus animal rights bill while flanked by Bob Barker on one side and Jorja Fox from CSI on the other. Don't we have some more serious issues facing the nation right now?

I think term limits would be a good idea. At every level of government. Two terms should be enough for every position. (Although I can see a small town having trouble finding enough qualified people to serve on a town board.)

infinite monkey · 11-03-2011, 08:39 AM

My congressman is Boehner. 'Nuff said.

Trilby · 11-03-2011, 09:20 AM

i voted revolution.

I'm totally ready.

infinite monkey · 11-03-2011, 09:22 AM

Me too.

Besides...a third party? I didn't get invited to the first two parties.

View Poll Results: Does the US need a third party?
Yes, anything is better than the two we have now	6	33.33%
No, the Democrats and Republicans were good enough for grandpa, and they're good enough for me	0	0%
Nice thought, but impossible to implement for a variety of reasons	7	38.89%
No, what we need is a revolution	3	16.67%
Huh? Who me? I dunno	2	11.11%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

10-31-2011, 05:13 PM	#1
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	Should the US have a third party? The British government of George III had more support from the original 13 colonies at the time of the US Revolution than the current US government does from its own citizens. A recent New York Times poll found that a record 84 percent of Americans disapprove of how Congress is handling its job, the highest since the Times began polling in 1977. The poll further found that 89% of Americans distrust the government to do the right thing. That’s even higher disapproval than the ratings after the 1995 government shutdown. These ratings make President Obama’s lackluster 46% approval rating seem like a love-in by comparison. In addition, nearly all Americans remain fearful that the economy is stagnating or deteriorating further, and two-thirds of the public said that wealth should be distributed more evenly in the country. Seven in 10 Americans think the policies of congressional Republicans favor the rich. Two-thirds object to tax cuts for corporations and a similar number prefer increasing income taxes on millionaires. At the same time as a majority of Americans are against corporate tax cuts, corporations have become persons and their rights are enforced under the 14th amendment – an amendment originally made to protect the rights of the freed slaves after the Civil War. Not only have corporations become people, they get more money from the government than do the veterans who have served our country in the Iraq/Afghanistan and other wars. Financial and other institutions that were bail-out recipients still owe the taxpayer 94 billion dollars. By contrast, the entire annual budget for the Veteran’s Administration is 66.7 billion. Who loves ya, baby? Congress will take the banks over the men and women who have served their country anytime. "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies,” - Thomas Jefferson. Where’s old Tom when we need him? So, now what? Does the country need a third party untarnished by affiliation with the two current major parties and corporate interests? Is such a party even possible in present day America? What would the platform of a viable third party look like? Thoughts?

10-31-2011, 05:19 PM	#2
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	I think we need a Halloween party. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-31-2011, 07:05 PM	#3
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Yes, even though your sources are pretty biased. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-31-2011, 09:09 PM	#5
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	like I said. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-31-2011, 07:23 PM	#4
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	You're right. One of my sources is from the government itself!

10-31-2011, 09:14 PM	#6
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-31-2011, 09:49 PM	#8
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	I saw it on a car just last week. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-31-2011, 09:53 PM	#9
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Its been all over FB for months. Occupy has T-Shirts for sale and posters galore. Its really been catching on as of late. I also saw a button somewhere... Attached Images __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-02-2011, 09:55 PM	#10
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Here's the problem with congressional disapproval... "I fucking hate Congress...but my Congressman is awesome!" And there you go. If people would just say, "You know, you all suck and have to go," then we might see some real changes.

11-02-2011, 11:17 PM	#11
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	Well, I for one have no respect what-so-ever for anyone currently "serving" in Congress. The incredible cost of an effective election campaign ensures the corruption of anyone elected. No one can get into congress without spending millions. Special interests step in to fill the war chests and incidently buy themselves a congressman. My congressman can smile and shake hands with the best of them, but his soul belongs to the Cattleman's Association and Coors beer along with a couple of giant financial outfits.

11-03-2011, 07:33 AM	#12
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	My congressman is an idiot. But I've voted for him in every general election. I've voted against him the one time someone challenged him in a primary, but the challenger was actually worse than my congressman was, and he lost. I voted for him just because a change would have been good. Today my congressman was in the paper because he was introducing a circus animal rights bill while flanked by Bob Barker on one side and Jorja Fox from CSI on the other. Don't we have some more serious issues facing the nation right now? I think term limits would be a good idea. At every level of government. Two terms should be enough for every position. (Although I can see a small town having trouble finding enough qualified people to serve on a town board.)

11-03-2011, 08:39 AM	#13
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	My congressman is Boehner. 'Nuff said.

11-03-2011, 09:20 AM	#14
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	i voted revolution. I'm totally ready. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

11-03-2011, 09:22 AM	#15
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Me too. Besides...a third party? I didn't get invited to the first two parties.

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