Useless Musical Complexity (Drums)

Flint · 01-16-2007, 08:15 PM

I like to play 3s with my feet (right-left-left, right-left-left) and solo on top, trying to find things that are difficult, IE that try to pull my feet off of the 3s, and then keep trying to do that thing while maintaining the 3s, until I can do it, and then until I can do it fluently and actually solo against the 3s. (A clumsy man's Bozzio, if you will.)

Next, last night I was thinking of a hand pattern, while trying to get to sleep, that consists of 16ths, accenting the 1, the 4, and the 7. Like 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6 & 7 & 8 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & etc. - This could be played against 4/4 and sound "odd" even though it's an 8-note pattern.

Well, I'm pretty fluent in playing 4/4 against the foot-3s, so I decide to try this pattern, but I unwittingly made one alteration, I started playing the accented 1, 4, and 7, and then back to the 1 (skipping the 8 and making a 7-note pattern). I played this against the 3s, without thinking about what I was doing, until I got it down. Then, I realized I was playing 7s agains 6s, a pattern that will only overlap on itself every 42nd note.

cowhead · 01-16-2007, 08:39 PM

you sure you're not playing prog-rock?

Flint · 01-16-2007, 09:07 PM

I wish. Bill Bruford, in his sleep, could do everything I just described.

Clodfobble · 01-16-2007, 09:46 PM

In high school orchestra I once had to play a piece written in 7/5 (because it was written by the orchestra director's very unsuccessful composer friend.) It sounded so very awful.

lumberjim · 01-16-2007, 11:18 PM

can you ...you tube?

kerosene · 01-19-2007, 12:03 AM

Stop it, Flint. You are turning me on.

cowhead · 01-19-2007, 10:24 AM

you know.. what might be interesting.. if musically inclined persons in the cellar were to post bits of songs that they had recorded and others added to it.. sort of a musial potluck... then again musicans egos being what they are.. that might get ugly

lumberjim · 01-19-2007, 01:27 PM

no, i think that's a great idea.

starts with drums, then bassline, rythm guitar, keys, lyrics, backup vocals. then the miscelaneous stuff like tambourines, flutes, panpipes......

a good idea that we've tickled before, but with the proliferation of youtube, and easier access to video capturing, it might be doable.

start a thread, cowhead.....see if it flies. i'll play....or sing or both as needed

cowhead · 01-20-2007, 11:04 AM

it was just an Idea, I have no thime to do anything right now.. between getting this house cleaned up/re-modeled/made liveable and tending to the girlfriend fresh out of surgery and looking for a new job.. not to mention all of my gear except an acoustic guitar and a little combo amp.. is sitting back in Kansas.. but I can grapple with it here in a week or so (if all goes well). throw your hat into the ring!

but it would be fun.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-23-2007, 01:55 PM

Check out the drummer.

Gr8DaneDood · 02-07-2007, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

I wish. Bill Bruford, in his sleep, could do everything I just described.

Bruford is awesome.

I used to be able to play the ostinato bass from Emerson Lake and Palmer's "Tarkus" on the left hand and "Take A Pebble" on the right hand, and vise-versa. Useless ability, but fun.

Cloud · 02-07-2007, 08:17 PM

can you play zils and dance at the same time?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-08-2007, 09:19 PM

Welcome to the Cellar, Gr8DaneDood.

Wander on over to Quality Images and post a picture of the puppy.

01-16-2007, 08:15 PM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Useless Musical Complexity (Drums) I like to play 3s with my feet (right-left-left, right-left-left) and solo on top, trying to find things that are difficult, IE that try to pull my feet off of the 3s, and then keep trying to do that thing while maintaining the 3s, until I can do it, and then until I can do it fluently and actually solo against the 3s. (A clumsy man's Bozzio, if you will.) Next, last night I was thinking of a hand pattern, while trying to get to sleep, that consists of 16ths, accenting the 1, the 4, and the 7. Like 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6 & 7 & 8 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & etc. - This could be played against 4/4 and sound "odd" even though it's an 8-note pattern. Well, I'm pretty fluent in playing 4/4 against the foot-3s, so I decide to try this pattern, but I unwittingly made one alteration, I started playing the accented 1, 4, and 7, and then back to the 1 (skipping the 8 and making a 7-note pattern). I played this against the 3s, without thinking about what I was doing, until I got it down. Then, I realized I was playing 7s agains 6s, a pattern that will only overlap on itself every 42nd note. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

01-16-2007, 08:39 PM	#2
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	you sure you're not playing prog-rock? __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

01-16-2007, 09:07 PM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I wish. Bill Bruford, in his sleep, could do everything I just described. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

01-16-2007, 11:18 PM	#5
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	can you ...you tube? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

01-19-2007, 10:24 AM	#7
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	you know.. what might be interesting.. if musically inclined persons in the cellar were to post bits of songs that they had recorded and others added to it.. sort of a musial potluck... then again musicans egos being what they are.. that might get ugly __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

01-16-2007, 09:46 PM	#4
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	In high school orchestra I once had to play a piece written in 7/5 (because it was written by the orchestra director's very unsuccessful composer friend.) It sounded so very awful.

01-19-2007, 12:03 AM	#6
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	Stop it, Flint. You are turning me on.

01-19-2007, 01:27 PM	#8
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	no, i think that's a great idea. starts with drums, then bassline, rythm guitar, keys, lyrics, backup vocals. then the miscelaneous stuff like tambourines, flutes, panpipes...... a good idea that we've tickled before, but with the proliferation of youtube, and easier access to video capturing, it might be doable. start a thread, cowhead.....see if it flies. i'll play....or sing or both as needed __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

01-20-2007, 11:04 AM	#9
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	it was just an Idea, I have no thime to do anything right now.. between getting this house cleaned up/re-modeled/made liveable and tending to the girlfriend fresh out of surgery and looking for a new job.. not to mention all of my gear except an acoustic guitar and a little combo amp.. is sitting back in Kansas.. but I can grapple with it here in a week or so (if all goes well). throw your hat into the ring! but it would be fun. __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

01-23-2007, 01:55 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Check out the drummer. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-07-2007, 08:17 PM	#12
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	can you play zils and dance at the same time? __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

02-08-2007, 09:19 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Welcome to the Cellar, Gr8DaneDood. Wander on over to Quality Images and post a picture of the puppy. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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