Wonen's Sufrage - Page 2

wolf · 09-23-2005, 10:54 AM

AFAIC, he was doing very well up until the last few lines of the third paragraph.

jinx · 09-23-2005, 11:03 AM

Hmm, I don't really get why smartaz is being labeled a troll or an idiot here. Why is his/her post any more misogynist than the recent posts by enlightened western men suggesting that women should have c-sections or surgery so they remain desirable or "good in bed"?

dar512 · 09-23-2005, 11:08 AM

Strong stance + leaning far in one direction + newbee = troll.

Generally.

Time will tell.

wolf · 09-23-2005, 11:28 AM

If he's a troll, he's a well-read one.

I don't think he's a troll, though.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-23-2005, 08:11 PM

I'm with Wolf. Not attacking anyone or their opinion. Just posting his (?) view and giving the reasons why he holds them....a hundred years after they went out of style.
Of course a lot of things I believe in have gone out of style, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.....just out of style. :p

edit- Now here's a troll.

ashke · 09-23-2005, 08:37 PM

With a name like "SmartAz"...

Hemlock · 09-23-2005, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx

Hmm, I don't really get why smartaz is being labeled a troll or an idiot here. Why is his/her post any more misogynist than the recent posts by enlightened western men suggesting that women should have c-sections or surgery so they remain desirable or "good in bed"?

I made the post because it is true!!! It is not a suggestion, it happens all the time in Brazil - mostly because the women want to "stay good" in bed.

I do not remember anyone saying that women should have C-sections for this reason...

How do you know I am a "enlightened western man?"

SmartAZ · 09-24-2005, 07:13 AM

So I'm a moron because you don't happen to agree with me?

So you think it's important to be "up to date" even if the country is falling apart because the current fads don't work right?

I'm disappointed. I thought this crowd could do better than that. How did you folks learn to spell so well without learning how to defend your positions?

Griff · 09-24-2005, 07:34 AM

Smartaz you're obviously not a moron, if you wish to continue the arguement ignore the barb and follow up. Sometimes when you're new folks prefer to just smack. UT's points deserve to be addressed and I'll have to do it if you don't but I've got goat housing to improve.

SmartAZ · 09-24-2005, 07:48 AM

Yeah, well, I've gotta wash my socks. I'm not sure yet how long I'll hang around here. I was hoping for better discussions. I mean without the insults.

wolf · 09-24-2005, 10:54 AM

Try using fewer yourself. That generally helps.

09-24-2005, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmartAZ

I'm disappointed. I thought this crowd could do better than that. How did you folks learn to spell so well without learning how to defend your positions?

I never learned how to spell. Ask Wolf if you don't believe me. I can get pretty argumentative, however. If its worth arguing about.

Trilby · 09-24-2005, 10:52 PM

I say, Professor SmartAz!

Why can't a woman be more like a man?
Men are so honest, so thoroughly square;
Eternally noble, historically fair.
Who, when you win will always give your back a pat.
Why can't a woman be like that?

Why does every one do what the others do?
Can't a woman learn to use her head?
Why do they do everything their mothers do?
Why don't they grow up, well, like their father instead?

Why can't a woman take after a man?
Men are so pleasant, so easy to please.
Whenever you're with them, you're always at ease.

Would you be slighted if I didn't speak for hours?

COLONEL PICKERING:
Of course not!

PROFESSOR HIGGINS:
Would you be livid if I had a drink or two?

COLONEL PICKERING:
Nonsense!

PROFESSOR HIGGINS:
Would you be wounded if I never sent you flowers?

COLONEL PICKERING:
Never!

PROFESSOR HIGGINS:
Well, why can't a woman be like you?

One man in a million may shout a bit.
Now and then, there's one with slight defects.
One perhaps whose truthfulness you doubt a bit.
But by and large we are a marvelous sex!

Why can't a woman take after a man?
'Cause men are so friendly, good natured and kind.
A better companion you never will find.

If I were hours late for dinner would you bellow?

COLONEL PICKERING:
Of course not.

PROFESSOR HIGGINS:
If I forgot your silly birthday would you fuss?

COLONEL PICKERING:
Nonsense.

PROFESSOR HIGGINS:
Would you complain if I took out another fellow?

COLONEL PICKERING:
Never.

PROFESSOR HIGGINS:
Why can't a woman be like us?

Why can't a woman be more like a man?
Men are so decent, such regular chaps;
Ready to help you through any mishaps;
Ready to buck you up whenever you're glum.
Why can't a woman be a chum?

Why is thinking something women never do?
And why is logic never even tried?
Straightening up their hair is all they ever do.
Why don't they straighten up the mess that's inside?

Why can't a woman behave like a man?
If I was a woman who'd been to a ball,
Been hailed as a Princess by one and by all;
Would I start weeping like a bathtub overflowing,
Or carry on as if my home were in a tree?
Would I run off and never tell me where I'm going?
Why can't a woman be like me?

SmartAZ · 09-25-2005, 07:04 AM

Quote:

UT's points deserve to be addressed

I agree that UT had a lot of points. It will take a couple of years to address all the implications and misconcep... uh, I mean, things we see differently.

I'll work on it. Watch this space.

Elspode · 09-25-2005, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx

Hmm, I don't really get why smartaz is being labeled a troll or an idiot here. Why is his/her post any more misogynist than the recent posts by enlightened western men suggesting that women should have c-sections or surgery so they remain desirable or "good in bed"?

I didn't use the [sarcasm] tags, and you took me seriously?

09-23-2005, 10:54 AM	#16
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	AFAIC, he was doing very well up until the last few lines of the third paragraph. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-23-2005, 11:03 AM	#17
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Hmm, I don't really get why smartaz is being labeled a troll or an idiot here. Why is his/her post any more misogynist than the recent posts by enlightened western men suggesting that women should have c-sections or surgery so they remain desirable or "good in bed"? __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

09-23-2005, 11:08 AM	#18
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Strong stance + leaning far in one direction + newbee = troll. Generally. Time will tell. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

09-23-2005, 11:28 AM	#19
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	If he's a troll, he's a well-read one. I don't think he's a troll, though. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-23-2005, 08:11 PM	#20
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I'm with Wolf. Not attacking anyone or their opinion. Just posting his (?) view and giving the reasons why he holds them....a hundred years after they went out of style. Of course a lot of things I believe in have gone out of style, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.....just out of style. :p edit- Now here's a troll. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 09-23-2005 at 08:19 PM.

09-23-2005, 08:37 PM	#21
ashke Don't look at me! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 288	With a name like "SmartAz"...

09-24-2005, 07:13 AM	#23
SmartAZ Confounded Conjuror Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 33	So I'm a moron because you don't happen to agree with me? So you think it's important to be "up to date" even if the country is falling apart because the current fads don't work right? I'm disappointed. I thought this crowd could do better than that. How did you folks learn to spell so well without learning how to defend your positions?

09-24-2005, 07:34 AM	#24
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Smartaz you're obviously not a moron, if you wish to continue the arguement ignore the barb and follow up. Sometimes when you're new folks prefer to just smack. UT's points deserve to be addressed and I'll have to do it if you don't but I've got goat housing to improve. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

09-24-2005, 07:48 AM	#25
SmartAZ Confounded Conjuror Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 33	Yeah, well, I've gotta wash my socks. I'm not sure yet how long I'll hang around here. I was hoping for better discussions. I mean without the insults.

09-24-2005, 10:54 AM	#26
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Try using fewer yourself. That generally helps. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

09-24-2005, 10:52 PM	#28
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I say, Professor SmartAz! Why can't a woman be more like a man? Men are so honest, so thoroughly square; Eternally noble, historically fair. Who, when you win will always give your back a pat. Why can't a woman be like that? Why does every one do what the others do? Can't a woman learn to use her head? Why do they do everything their mothers do? Why don't they grow up, well, like their father instead? Why can't a woman take after a man? Men are so pleasant, so easy to please. Whenever you're with them, you're always at ease. Would you be slighted if I didn't speak for hours? COLONEL PICKERING: Of course not! PROFESSOR HIGGINS: Would you be livid if I had a drink or two? COLONEL PICKERING: Nonsense! PROFESSOR HIGGINS: Would you be wounded if I never sent you flowers? COLONEL PICKERING: Never! PROFESSOR HIGGINS: Well, why can't a woman be like you? One man in a million may shout a bit. Now and then, there's one with slight defects. One perhaps whose truthfulness you doubt a bit. But by and large we are a marvelous sex! Why can't a woman take after a man? 'Cause men are so friendly, good natured and kind. A better companion you never will find. If I were hours late for dinner would you bellow? COLONEL PICKERING: Of course not. PROFESSOR HIGGINS: If I forgot your silly birthday would you fuss? COLONEL PICKERING: Nonsense. PROFESSOR HIGGINS: Would you complain if I took out another fellow? COLONEL PICKERING: Never. PROFESSOR HIGGINS: Why can't a woman be like us? Why can't a woman be more like a man? Men are so decent, such regular chaps; Ready to help you through any mishaps; Ready to buck you up whenever you're glum. Why can't a woman be a chum? Why is thinking something women never do? And why is logic never even tried? Straightening up their hair is all they ever do. Why don't they straighten up the mess that's inside? Why can't a woman behave like a man? If I was a woman who'd been to a ball, Been hailed as a Princess by one and by all; Would I start weeping like a bathtub overflowing, Or carry on as if my home were in a tree? Would I run off and never tell me where I'm going? Why can't a woman be like me? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 09-24-2005 at 10:55 PM.

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