Drug Wars tooooo close to home!

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Closing the borders would separate families

Agree.

and hurt the US economically.

Disagree

[Shawnee123]

Arizona is now a police state.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/...ex.html?hpt=T1

What does the Arizona law do?

Arizona's law orders immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and requires police to question people if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally.

It also targets those who hire illegal immigrant laborers or knowingly transport them.

link

Slippery slopage. I wonder what "reasons to suspect they are in the country illegally" they will need? They don't look the same? Can we put arm bands on them?

Yep, very slippery.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by classicman

That would depend upon who you are asking and why that wall was built.

Jus sayin

Well sure, if you ask the commies...

You're funny.

[Spexxvet]

and hurt the US economically

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Originally Posted by classicman

Disagree

It'll just increase the redistribution of wealth. Rich lawn owners will have to pay more for legals to do landscaping than they paid illegals.

[Cloud]

well, I was thinking more of the manufacturing sector and the imports from the maquiladoras

[Spexxvet]

I was being tongue-in-cheek

[glatt]

So Arizona can throw them in jail now, but AFAIK, states don't have the authority to deport. So Arizona is going to pay around 100K per person per year to jail illegal immigrants? I doubt it.

This is an empty law passed only to help an embattled governor secure a primary victory.

The fines against people who hire illegal immigrants will be enforced though. That's money for the coffers.

[classicman]

I think the average cost per prisoner is more like $50k but your point is till valid.

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Rich lawn owners will have to pay more for legals to do landscaping than they paid illegals.

You mean a more realistic LEGAL wage instead of the artificially low one? You mean one that will generate tax dollars instead of under-the-table ones?
Good - I think that could be a positive.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by jinx

What about laws against speeding? Shoplifting? Murder? These violations/crimes continue despite law enforcement efforts, so... just fuck it?

Speeding is different, it's revenue enhancement.

Originally Posted by glatt

So Arizona is going to pay around 100K per person per year to jail illegal immigrants?

Only if you feed 'em.

[classicman]

President Barack Obama called anew for overhauling the nation’s immigration laws, saying a failure to do so will lead to “misguided” efforts such as legislation passed in Arizona.

“Our failure to act responsibly at the federal level will only open the door to irresponsibility by others,” Obama said at a Rose Garden naturalization ceremony for 24 members of the U.S. military. “That includes, for example, the recent efforts in Arizona.”

The state legislature passed a bill that would make it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and require local police to determine the immigration status of anyone an officer suspects of being in the country without proper documentation.

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Wait a minute - Its legal to be here illegally?

oh and a poll too.

[glatt]

I read the actual law for a few minutes yesterday. It's long and I didn't read it all. There's a lot of stuff in there aimed at people who hire illegal immigrants. Like you can't stop to pick up a day worker on a public street, and if you do, you can be charged with impeding traffic. There's also the tidbit that an illegal immigrant found on public property in Arizona is "trespassing" and can be charged with "trespassing" and thrown in jail.

The main point of the law seems to be that cops will have the power to check "suspicious" people and if they determine they are here illegally, they will have the power to drop them off at the INS. The Feds at INS don't have to do anything under the state law, so they may just release them at that point, or they may deport them. Arizona isn't deporting anyone.

[Shawnee123]

I'd still like to see some verbiage on what constitutes "suspicion they're in the country illegally."

So a guy walking down the street could be "suspicious." On what grounds? Unless we're talking about the employment issues, I don't know how they will make that call unless it's on appearance. And, as we know, good cops, bad cops.

[jinx]

I'd still like to see some verbiage on what constitutes "suspicion they're in the country illegally."

Me too, specifically whether it's a primary offense or if it just gives cops the authority to further question someone who can't produce ID when questioned about something else.

[classicman]

Not sure Shaw. That verbiage has been used elsewhere for decades. Still, that is the issue. From what I read over the weekend it was mentioned that if they stop a car for speeding or whatever, they can check status. What they cannot do, again from what I read, is just pull anyone over for whatever reason they want.

[Cloud]

unless it's "we suspect they are illegals."