This is just SO wrong! - Page 2

TheMercenary · 11-22-2011, 10:19 PM

Yawn....

glatt · 11-23-2011, 07:42 AM

What does your lease say? Does it say anything about him making repairs?

Colorado may have screwed up laws that allow a landlord to rent a place that isn't fit for habitation, but if he signed a contract saying that he will make repairs, then he has to make those repairs. Contracts are generally binding that way.

Outside of the lease, your only legal right in Colorado may be to move out, but you can still do other things.

He wants to make money by renting the place out. If you move out, he will need to fix the furnace to attract a new renter. So he's going to fix the furnace anyway. You just have to convince him to do it now, rather than after you move out. Explain this to him. Tell him that you are looking for a new place since he won't fix the furnace. It's a pain for him to have to find a new tenant, and it will probably take him at least a few weeks, which means he won't be receiving any rent during that time. I assume you have been a good tenant, who pays rent on time. He isn't going to want to lose you, since good tenants are actually hard to find.

You can also do as others have suggested by putting outside pressure on him. The media and government may take an interest in this. The Colorado Bar Association would be interested in the lawyer wife who is attempting to do some shady stuff. But to go after her, you'll need documents with her name on them. She's probably not dumb enough to put her name on anything.

I'd start by calling the landlord and telling him that the portable radiators aren't cutting it, and that you expect him to fix the furnace, and if he doesn't you'll be moving out.

SamIam · 11-23-2011, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster

^this one. There must be a "Channel Whatever on your side" around there? Hell, if not, I'll send you one, we have way too many here....

Nope. The closest thing is the Albuquerque channels (400 miles to the south) which will sometimes post Farmington news. But Farmington is still in New Mexico and about 50 miles south. I do not kid when I say we're isolated out here.

But the good news (I guess) is that Mrs. Slumlord/Lawyer has contacted her friends in high places and someone from Housing Solutions for the Southwest (HSSW) is coming out to look at my deceased furnace today. HSSW provides weatherization and heating assistance to low income residents of my county - and is paid for out of both Colorado State and county funding. Hopefully, I'll have a new furnace sometime next week.

And the lawyer and the slumlord will have defrauded Colorado taxpayers and given just that much more ammunition to those who say "everyone" who gets energy (and other) assistance doesn't really need it, so let's cut the programs.

Undertoad · 11-23-2011, 11:39 AM

at least it will help keep your rent down

SamIam · 11-23-2011, 01:35 PM

It BETTER keep my rent down and I BETTER get every penny of my cleaning deposit back WITH interest whether I clean up this place up when I leave or not.

Furnace Guy came out and inspected the situation. I asked him if it was actually legal to pay my comfortably well-off slumlord the money for the furnace. Furnace Guy said not only is it perfectly legal, that also the landlord wouldn't have to pay a single penny toward any of the furnace or installation costs, and that the total cost would probably run around $1800 to the taxpayer. I told him that was awful and he agreed with me. He said that the mostly Republican Colorado State Legislature had written the laws to benefit landlords and real estate types as much or more than anything else.

I don't know if this is true or not, but Furnace Guy seemed quite bitter over it, and I don't blame him.

glatt · 11-23-2011, 01:42 PM

That's crazy.

Trilby · 11-23-2011, 01:45 PM

My dad is a landlord - albeit in Ohio - and he has never done anything like that nor has anything like that been possible in Ohio.

Really weird.

Lamplighter · 11-23-2011, 01:57 PM

It sure ain't that way in Oregon.

Lola Bunny · 11-23-2011, 02:02 PM

How does the rich stay rich? Cuz they're cheap and they'll cheat to save a penny. Okay, not all of them are like that but you get what I mean.

Undertoad · 11-23-2011, 02:36 PM

Quote:

I BETTER get every penny of my cleaning deposit back WITH interest whether I clean up this place up when I leave or not.

So it turns out you were not in any way victimized by this situation, but now you feel like you deserve something out of it?

So you're going to pass along extra costs to your landlord because... they have too much money? And followed the letter of the law to not have less of it and still replace your dead furnace?

Lamplighter · 11-23-2011, 02:50 PM

I wonder if the landlord starts depreciating the cost on their tax return.

I also wonder if landlord is required to continue renting to low income tenants
(or whatever group it was that let the repairs qualify for the payment)
particularly if it was a federal subsidy program.

I whole heartedly agree with the title: This is just So wrong!

monster · 11-23-2011, 02:58 PM

I think she feels a victim as part of the taxpaying society rather than individually. The furnace now belongs to the landlord. He could kick her out and install someone paying a lot more rent because the apartment has a new furnace -which was not paid for directly by him, but he will be the direct beneficiary of the extra income?

Undertoad · 11-23-2011, 03:03 PM

Renters don't give a fuck whether the furnace is new, only that it works.

SamIam · 11-23-2011, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

So it turns out you were not in any way victimized by this situation, but now you feel like you deserve something out of it?

So you're going to pass along extra costs to your landlord because... they have too much money? And followed the letter of the law to not have less of it and still replace your dead furnace?

What Monster said. I never said that I was being personally victimized. It makes me mad that my landlord who owns all kinds of property here in town and has a comfortable income is getting the benefit of a program designed (theoretically) to help out low income folks. If anyone else was living in this apartment, the landlord would be paying out of pocket for the new furnace. As it is, he's $1800 ahead of the game because his lawyer wife found a loophole in the system.

There are no "extra costs" here. My concern is that the landlord is such a stingy money grubber, that he'll make up some excuse to keep part or all of my deposit - he's done it to others who have rented here in the past which is why I mentioned it in my other post.

And he really shouldn't keep any of my damage deposit when I go. The place has not been damaged by me, and I actually will clean it just like I always do when I move out of a rental.

regular.joe · 11-23-2011, 05:35 PM

I was given these words of wisdom from a wise man once: If you want to have a big wad, you must be a tight wad. Just sayin'.

11-22-2011, 10:19 PM	#16
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Yawn.... __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-23-2011, 01:45 PM	#22
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	My dad is a landlord - albeit in Ohio - and he has never done anything like that nor has anything like that been possible in Ohio. Really weird. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

11-23-2011, 02:58 PM	#27
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I think she feels a victim as part of the taxpaying society rather than individually. The furnace now belongs to the landlord. He could kick her out and install someone paying a lot more rent because the apartment has a new furnace -which was not paid for directly by him, but he will be the direct beneficiary of the extra income? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

11-23-2011, 05:35 PM	#30
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	I was given these words of wisdom from a wise man once: If you want to have a big wad, you must be a tight wad. Just sayin'. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

11-23-2011, 07:42 AM	#17
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	What does your lease say? Does it say anything about him making repairs? Colorado may have screwed up laws that allow a landlord to rent a place that isn't fit for habitation, but if he signed a contract saying that he will make repairs, then he has to make those repairs. Contracts are generally binding that way. Outside of the lease, your only legal right in Colorado may be to move out, but you can still do other things. He wants to make money by renting the place out. If you move out, he will need to fix the furnace to attract a new renter. So he's going to fix the furnace anyway. You just have to convince him to do it now, rather than after you move out. Explain this to him. Tell him that you are looking for a new place since he won't fix the furnace. It's a pain for him to have to find a new tenant, and it will probably take him at least a few weeks, which means he won't be receiving any rent during that time. I assume you have been a good tenant, who pays rent on time. He isn't going to want to lose you, since good tenants are actually hard to find. You can also do as others have suggested by putting outside pressure on him. The media and government may take an interest in this. The Colorado Bar Association would be interested in the lawyer wife who is attempting to do some shady stuff. But to go after her, you'll need documents with her name on them. She's probably not dumb enough to put her name on anything. I'd start by calling the landlord and telling him that the portable radiators aren't cutting it, and that you expect him to fix the furnace, and if he doesn't you'll be moving out.

11-23-2011, 11:39 AM	#19
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	at least it will help keep your rent down

11-23-2011, 01:35 PM	#20
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	It BETTER keep my rent down and I BETTER get every penny of my cleaning deposit back WITH interest whether I clean up this place up when I leave or not. Furnace Guy came out and inspected the situation. I asked him if it was actually legal to pay my comfortably well-off slumlord the money for the furnace. Furnace Guy said not only is it perfectly legal, that also the landlord wouldn't have to pay a single penny toward any of the furnace or installation costs, and that the total cost would probably run around $1800 to the taxpayer. I told him that was awful and he agreed with me. He said that the mostly Republican Colorado State Legislature had written the laws to benefit landlords and real estate types as much or more than anything else. I don't know if this is true or not, but Furnace Guy seemed quite bitter over it, and I don't blame him.

11-23-2011, 01:42 PM	#21
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	That's crazy.

11-23-2011, 01:57 PM	#23
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	It sure ain't that way in Oregon.

11-23-2011, 02:02 PM	#24
Lola Bunny Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,728	How does the rich stay rich? Cuz they're cheap and they'll cheat to save a penny. Okay, not all of them are like that but you get what I mean.

11-23-2011, 02:50 PM	#26
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	I wonder if the landlord starts depreciating the cost on their tax return. I also wonder if landlord is required to continue renting to low income tenants (or whatever group it was that let the repairs qualify for the payment) particularly if it was a federal subsidy program. I whole heartedly agree with the title: This is just So wrong!

11-23-2011, 03:03 PM	#28
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Renters don't give a fuck whether the furnace is new, only that it works.

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