Why is Obama Black?

[xoxoxoBruce]

And with it, the price of everything else goes up. Now the oil companies and the futures brokers, have the greenies on their side, the sky's the limit.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Perry Winkle

Obama isn't black. He's green. I saw it on CNN this morning.

Time to fix the economy. Buy a new TV.

[tw]

Originally Posted by plthijinx

what i care about is can he put a leash on the oil companies gas prices?

Or you can deal with the real problem. Buy ten gallons of gasoline. How many actually move the car? Somewhere between one and two. More than 8 of those 10 gallons does nothing but create heat. Does nothing productive because gasoline at $7 per gallon is so rediculously cheap.

Want to solve the problem? Any car getting less that 30 MPG (the actual numbers) in local driving is a car onwer who wants to burn more gas for his greater glory. Anyone with an engine larger than 4 cyliinders loves screwing everyone for his own ego.

Deal with why more than 8 of every ten gallons is burned to do nothing productive. Otherwise, you (and we all) deserve prices exceeding $10 per gallon. Those who hate innovation are defined in that above paragraph. 'Drill baby drill' is a soundbyte for $10 gasoline. "More Ethanol!" since we so want to make things worse by ignoring the problem.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

And with it, the price of everything else goes up. Now the oil companies and the futures brokers, have the greenies on their side, the sky's the limit.

If gas does go up that much then maybe our auto industry will see the light and either import or produce some of those very efficient diesel engines like the UK has. They have been getting well above 30mpg for years.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Now that low sulfur fuel is available they can, and still meet emissions standards. All those Europeans, even VW and Mercedes, had pulled out of the US market, because they couldn't do it.

[TheMercenary]

And didn't the US auto unions block it as well, for other reasons?

[Shawnee123]

I asked some time ago why 30 mpg is now considered great mileage. My 1990 CRX got about 35, but the HF version got near 50. We're being screwed. They can do better. Somebody's pockets would suffer, methinks, and better ours than "theirs" in their eyes. If gas prices keep going up I don't know what I will do. My VW gets about 30, so it's considered great mileage: I have a 300 mile total commute each week. This is the suxxors.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And didn't the US auto unions block it as well, for other reasons?

Why would they do that? That's doesn't make any sense, but if you've got a link to that I'd love to read it.

[TheMercenary]

I will look. I believe it revolved around the UAW getting language into the bills that regulated what was defined as a "domestic" auto and then taxing those imports that did not meet that standard. Hence the Jap companies among others proceeded to open plants in the US that were located in Right to Work states and not where unions could not dominate. But due to the low price of gas in the US as well as the low standards for mpg efficiency, currently around 27mpg average, I believe, there was no incentive for them to make the same efficient engines that they have in their own countries.

[TheMercenary]

This speaks to some of it but it does reference more in general terms "US Auto industry" rather than direct union offense. I can see from the article how they would have been on the same side of the arguments.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...slow-lane.html

This references the UAW some.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/...n3/v32n3-2.pdf

This is a proposal to do direct imports of the complete cars and some of the roadblocks, little to do with the issues surrounding jobs but you could imagine the outcry if we imported significantly more fuel efficient complete autos built by Ford and GM overseas...

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008...ome-good-cars/


Specifically mentions the unions...

http://www.bitbotters.com/47/why-ame...fficient-cars/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051900550.html

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/635994

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17344368/ns/business-autos/

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yeah, I can see the UAW backing what they see as beneficial to their members, that what they do. At least that's what they should do.

As far as imported parts, that's the manufactures call, like the Big Ford Crown Vics that have dominated the police market. Ford arranged for a high percentage of the parts to be imported so it would be classed as an import and it's gas mileage averaged in with their other imports. Using the rules(law) to their advantage. But that doesn't affect the UAW very much, even if they had a say in the matter.

But like I said up front, keep in mind the UAW is first and foremost in the business of protecting their members, who are paying 2 hours a month. As least it should be... actually the first and foremost is to benefit the rat bastards running the show, then the dues paying members.

[TheMercenary]

Kill off the UAW and things would improve.

[DanaC]

Kill of the UAW and the workers would be more vulnerable to exploitation.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Kill of the UAW and the workers would be more vulnerable to exploitation.

Bull shit. The UAW time has come and gone. But I do understand you come from a Socialist POV. You are forgiven.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Don't be ridiculous, do you think the manufacturers are going to adhere to health and safety labor laws on their own? The day to day problems are not between labor and upper management, it's the first line management that try to cut corners. And often there's too much middle management between the two for good communication.

Yes there was some stupid programs going on for awhile, but the UAW didn't come up with these on their own, the companies were just as guilty.
The Germans give more money, and vacation, than the UAW gets here, and have done ok because they've funded those obligations.