Alcohol Might Be Good For You

xoxoxoBruce · 08-16-2014, 05:28 PM

I said might, not because my mother said everything is ok in moderation, but because I don't know if this article is true, partially true, or bullshit. However it makes some pretty bold statements from Stanton Peele's intriguing position.

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Even drinking more than is recommended, without displaying clinical symptoms of problem drinking or alcohol dependence (and these are not subtle), is generally better for you than drinking nothing

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The encouragement of undertaking drinking with the implication of prevention of coronary heart disease would be scientifically misleading and socially undesirable in view of the major health problem of alcoholism that already exists in the country.

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The more alcohol a society consumes, the fewer alcohol-related problems and alcohol-related deaths (including cirrhosis) it has.

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The overall death rates were lowest among men and women reporting about one drink daily. Mortality from all causes increased with heavier drinking, particularly among adults under age 60 with lower risk of cardiovascular disease.

I smell a little Oprah-Winfreyism here.

Clodfobble · 08-16-2014, 05:40 PM

Perhaps it is that the alcohol is still bad for you, but the positive social effects of drinking--both to the individual when they spend time out with others, as well as to the population when society is able to be open and accepting of adult behaviors--outweigh the negatives.

sexobon · 08-16-2014, 07:55 PM

It's actually the opposite. Studies since the '80s French paradox have generally attributed intrinsic health benefits to moderate ETOH consumption (like a glass of wine a day) with some forms (e.g. red wine) being more beneficial than others. The stigma associated with social drinking here is thought to be undermining a beneficial integration of alcohol with foods in the American diet.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-16-2014, 09:46 PM

I can't comment on...

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undermining a beneficial integration of alcohol

But that stigma associated with social drinking sure has fucked the club scene and live bands available to enjoy. Also killed most of the venues to learn the craft when they graduate from the garage.

I got an email tonight from a friend in Canada, telling me every time she lays off the wine for a week or so, she gets sick.

Aliantha · 08-16-2014, 11:15 PM

Alcohol consumption is definitely beneficial to my husband. My consumption of course. Not his.

sexobon · 08-16-2014, 11:39 PM

I've had the book Healing Wines in my medical library since the mid '80s. It's a fun read historical overview rather than a scientific study. While doing a search by title to see if it's still available, I came across this Wikipedia article that has some of the same info: Health effects of wine. It's a good read too.

Gravdigr · 08-17-2014, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Alcohol consumption is definitely beneficial to my husband. My consumption of course. Not his.

Lola Bunny · 08-19-2014, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Alcohol consumption is definitely beneficial to my husband. My consumption of course. Not his.

Ha...I like this. Maybe this may apply to my family. My sister has been complaining that I seem to be angry all the time. Hmm....I think I will try out Ali's technique, hehe.

Gravdigr · 08-19-2014, 12:56 PM

Auntiedigr did that with her husband...

...she was angry at him all the time, and one night, she picked up the bottle.

And put it upside his head.

♪ ♫...laid him out as cold as a block of ice.♪ ♫

Aliantha · 08-19-2014, 05:31 PM

Well I don't hit my husband with the bottle. haha I never would. I don't drink to make myself happier either. It just makes me more mellow and I stop stewing on things. Lately it's just one vodka in the late arvo. Kind of like cocktail hour I guess. On the weekends I usually drink more. start earlier and finish later. Probably not the best way of dealing with things, but it will pass I assume.

orthodoc · 08-20-2014, 10:18 PM

I find some wine makes life bearable when I have to integrate integrity with reality. No one is a one-dimensional villain; that's the case in so much of life. We're all flawed, but sometimes we need wine to live together peaceably.

Big Sarge · 08-21-2014, 04:42 PM

I prefer alcohol to other medications. I seem to consume in larger quantities. I pour whiskey in a cup and drink it sometimes in one big guzzle. Don't judge. I am trying to be honest

Big Sarge · 08-22-2014, 08:01 AM

Uhhhhh. the next morning is hell

glatt · 08-22-2014, 08:03 AM

Good morning, Sarge.

Big Sarge · 08-22-2014, 08:15 AM

I'm trying to scan to see if I made any posts last night that were shameful. Plus I have to keep one foot on the floor because satanic forces or something are making everything move

08-16-2014, 05:40 PM	#2
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Perhaps it is that the alcohol is still bad for you, but the positive social effects of drinking--both to the individual when they spend time out with others, as well as to the population when society is able to be open and accepting of adult behaviors--outweigh the negatives. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

08-16-2014, 11:15 PM	#5
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Alcohol consumption is definitely beneficial to my husband. My consumption of course. Not his. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-19-2014, 12:56 PM	#9
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	Auntiedigr did that with her husband... ...she was angry at him all the time, and one night, she picked up the bottle. And put it upside his head. ♪ ♫...laid him out as cold as a block of ice.♪ ♫ __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

08-19-2014, 05:31 PM	#10
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well I don't hit my husband with the bottle. haha I never would. I don't drink to make myself happier either. It just makes me more mellow and I stop stewing on things. Lately it's just one vodka in the late arvo. Kind of like cocktail hour I guess. On the weekends I usually drink more. start earlier and finish later. Probably not the best way of dealing with things, but it will pass I assume. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-20-2014, 10:18 PM	#11
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	I find some wine makes life bearable when I have to integrate integrity with reality. No one is a one-dimensional villain; that's the case in so much of life. We're all flawed, but sometimes we need wine to live together peaceably. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

08-16-2014, 07:55 PM	#3
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	It's actually the opposite. Studies since the '80s French paradox have generally attributed intrinsic health benefits to moderate ETOH consumption (like a glass of wine a day) with some forms (e.g. red wine) being more beneficial than others. The stigma associated with social drinking here is thought to be undermining a beneficial integration of alcohol with foods in the American diet.

08-16-2014, 11:39 PM	#6
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	I've had the book Healing Wines in my medical library since the mid '80s. It's a fun read historical overview rather than a scientific study. While doing a search by title to see if it's still available, I came across this Wikipedia article that has some of the same info: Health effects of wine. It's a good read too.

08-21-2014, 04:42 PM	#12
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	I prefer alcohol to other medications. I seem to consume in larger quantities. I pour whiskey in a cup and drink it sometimes in one big guzzle. Don't judge. I am trying to be honest __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

08-22-2014, 08:01 AM	#13
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Uhhhhh. the next morning is hell __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

08-22-2014, 08:03 AM	#14
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Good morning, Sarge.

08-22-2014, 08:15 AM	#15
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	I'm trying to scan to see if I made any posts last night that were shameful. Plus I have to keep one foot on the floor because satanic forces or something are making everything move __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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