The Obamanation

[lookout123]

After reading the posts since the last time I time I was here, I stand by my assertion that a LOT of the negative stuff out there is coming from a place of racism. There are a lot of people in this country who are not comfortable having a black man in charge. And they are willing to start a fucking violent revolution and overthrow the government in order to prove it. Anyone who doesn't see it is IMO very naive.

Then I guess I also have to stand by my thought when you were here before: you are fucking koolaid drinking imbecile. It is quite possible for a large number of Americans to have a variety of reasons (some valid, some pretty stupid) for disliking the President and/or his policies without racism being a major factor.

[Griff]

NPR did a race story this morning. There is a racial component but the ugly rhetoric is in line with what Clinton and Bush got. NPR mentioned the showing up armed at Presidential events thing which is a huge increase in the threatening posture but failed to mention that one of the best armed nutters was a black man. It is more party politics than race but both sides will use race to hold the creepy base. The part that to me seems most racially focused is the kooky citizenship nonsense.

[lookout123]

Race is the most easy to grasp tool the politicians use to separate us from each other. Some people are more susceptible to the idiocy than others.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Griff

NPR did a race story this morning. There is a racial component but the ugly rhetoric is in line with what Clinton and Bush got. NPR mentioned the showing up armed at Presidential events thing which is a huge increase in the threatening posture but failed to mention that one of the best armed nutters was a black man. It is more party politics than race but both sides will use race to hold the creepy base. The part that to me seems most racially focused is the kooky citizenship nonsense.

A fair statement. The Race Card being thrown is nothing more than a Strawman by those who support the changes. Nice try, but that dog "Won't Hunt" (Bill Clinton).

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Bull shit. I don't believe that one minute. Some? Sure. The majority? Hell know. It is about the issues. I think he is very presidential and doing a great job of representing the office. I just don't agree with many of his socialist ideals. I could care less if he was a Martian.

He is not a socialist. People throw that word around without any regard for what it really means.

The fact that so many people believe he isn't American (the birthers), or that he is Muslim, just proves that people will say and believe anything, no matter how much it is disproved. Do you honestly think people would be reacting the same way if Hillary had won? I doubt it. But all the ridiculous talk, by supposed "legitimate" people, is not helping. They should be debating what is actually IN THE BILLS they disagree with, instead of being completely disrespectful and spreading lies and fear and talking about secession and invoking the tenth ammendment, if they want to be taken seriously. Oh, and they should be telling people to STOP showing up with GUNS where the President is speaking.

In an interview with NBC's Brian Williams, former President Jimmy Carter said he has been extremely bothered by the heightened climate of racial and other hate speech since the election of President Barack Obama. Go to following link to watch.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...nst_obama.html

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

He is not a socialist. People throw that word around without any regard for what it really means.

I know what it means, many of his policy proposals reflect it.

The fact that so many people believe he isn't American (the birthers), or that he is Muslim, just proves that people will say and believe anything, no matter how much it is disproved.

I don't believe any of that.

Do you honestly think people would be reacting the same way if Hillary had won? I doubt it.

No, and I could give a shit because that bitch lost and I am glad for that much. I would take Obama over her anyday.

But all the ridiculous talk, by supposed "legitimate" people, is not helping. They should be debating what is actually IN THE BILLS they disagree with,

Yea, that IS what I am trying to do.

instead of being completely disrespectful and spreading lies and fear and talking about secession and invoking the tenth ammendment, if they want to be taken seriously.

I could care less about that BS.

Oh, and they should be telling people to STOP showing up with GUNS where the President is speaking.

Yea, tell those black men to stop showing up with their guns.

In an interview with NBC's Brian Williams, former President Jimmy Carter said he has been extremely bothered by the heightened climate of racial and other hate speech since the election of President Barack Obama.

I could give a shit about what Carter says about anything. I mean really. He is just supporting his base. Feeling bad for his ancestors who owned slaves. I have very little interest in much of what he has to say.

[sugarpop]

ftr, I did not say ALL OF IT was racially motivated, I said I thought A LOT OF IT was. I stand by that. If we had a white man doing the same things, I feel quite certain the temperament would not be as bad as it is.

My brother (the conservative one) has been sending me emails about all the bailouts Obama started. But most of the bailouts were started by Bush, something that is lost on many people who are crying about Obama's socialism. In addition, many of them are now claiming the recession is Obama's fault, even though it began BEFORE he was even elected! And this brother of mine is not stupid, even though it he is acting stupid by sending this crap out and thereby helping to facilitate the nonsense. I do believe he is racist, even though I don't believe he knows he is. He is a "polite" racist. He has racist tendencies, but he isn't aware of them.

In addition, Obama is doing exactly what he campaigned on. He campaigned on health care reform, green energy and education reform. He tied health care to the economy, as he should. He won by a huge majority. Because he won with such a large majority, I think he is caving in WAY too much to the right. He should be trying to get single payer, but instead, it looks like we might not even get a public option now. He is trying WAY too hard to please the people who will never vote with him, and who LOST. *sigh*

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Then I guess I also have to stand by my thought when you were here before: you are fucking koolaid drinking imbecile. It is quite possible for a large number of Americans to have a variety of reasons (some valid, some pretty stupid) for disliking the President and/or his policies without racism being a major factor.

And you, sir, are a complete asshole.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

ftr, I did not say ALL OF IT was racially motivated, I said I thought A LOT OF IT was. I stand by that.

More BS. Very little of it is. It is fearmongering by the Left to make associations that don't exist and to demonize the opposition.

My brother (the conservative one) has been sending me emails about all the bailouts Obama started. But most of the bailouts were started by Bush, something that is lost on many people who are crying about Obama's socialism. In addition, many of them are now claiming the recession is Obama's fault, even though it began BEFORE he was even elected! And this brother of mine is not stupid, even though it he is acting stupid by sending this crap out and thereby helping to facilitate the nonsense. I do believe he is racist, even though I don't believe he knows he is. He is a "polite" racist. He has racist tendencies, but he isn't aware of them.

Not important to the greater discussion. Sorry you think your brother is a racist for opposing Obama.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I know what it means, many of his policy proposals reflect it.

Not really, but whatever. We live in a quasi-socialist country. Health care should not be something that is "for profit" to the extent it is now.

I don't believe any of that.

I didn't say YOU did, I was saying that many people in this country do, and that many of those people are fueling all of this crap.

No, and I could give a shit because that bitch lost and I am glad for that much. I would take Obama over her anyday.

At least you admit it's true. That should prove right there to you that some of the rhetoric is racist-oriented.

Yea, that IS what I am trying to do.

Well right on then. Too bad legitimate people aren't.

I could care less about that BS.

The point is, a lot of people DO care about it, and they are causing a lot of concern and trouble. And all the politicians who are doing really need to stop.

Yea, tell those black men to stop showing up with their guns.

I've only seen ONE black person at a rally with a gun. But ftr, they should be telling ALL PEOPLE to stop showing up with guns. You can't go to Disneyland with a gun, but you can go to a presidential speech with one? What the fuck is wrong with that picture?

I could give a shit about what Carter says about anything. I mean really. He is just supporting his base. Feeling bad for his ancestors who owned slaves. I have very little interest in much of what he has to say.

Well, he is from the south, he was governor of Georgia, and he was president. He was around during the Civil Rights Movement. I think he knows racism when he sees it.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

More BS. Very little of it is. It is fearmongering by the Left to make associations that don't exist and to demonize the opposition.

ummm, it isn't the left stirring up fear with death panels, and talk of the president not being legitimate because he wasn't born here (which of course we all know he is and he was), or talking about rationing healthcare, and secession. That is all coming from the whaco extremists on the right. The FEAR is coming from the right.

Not important to the greater discussion. Sorry you think your brother is a racist for opposing Obama.

I don't think he's racist for opposing Obama, I think he's racist for other reasons. And as I said, I don't think he believes he is. But, he is.

[TheMercenary]

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Not really, but whatever. We live in a quasi-socialist country. Health care should not be something that is "for profit" to the extent it is now.

At least you admit to the socialist agenda. I will give you that much.

At least you admit it's true. That should prove right there to you that some of the rhetoric is racist-oriented.

It proves nothing of the sort.

I've only seen ONE black person at a rally with a gun. But ftr, they should be telling ALL PEOPLE to stop showing up with guns. You can't go to Disneyland with a gun, but you can go to a presidential speech with one? What the fuck is wrong with that picture?

But yet you want to make a big deal out of 2 incidents from all of his numerous speaking events. This ain't Disney Land.

Well, he is from the south, he was governor of Georgia, and he was president. He was around during the Civil Rights Movement. I think he knows racism when he sees it.

Sure, just like he knows Porn when he sees it. He is still a dick.

[sugarpop]

[quote=TheMercenary;595104]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

But yet you want to make a big deal out of 2 incidents from all of his numerous speaking events. This ain't Disney Land.

I find it hard to believe that you think it is OK to go where the president, ANY PRESIDENT, is going to be while carrying a weapon. I can only imagine what would have happened if a liberal had tried to do that when Bush was president. Really. People were being arrested for their fucking T-SHIRTS when Bush was prez.

Sure, just like he knows Porn when he sees it. He is still a dick.

whateveh. So are you. (I still love you though. *smooch*)

[classicman]

Originally Posted by lookout123

you are fucking koolaid drinking imbecile. It is quite possible for a large number of Americans to have a variety of reasons (some valid, some pretty stupid) for disliking the President and/or his policies without racism being a major factor.

Here here! and to legitimatize the "Race Card" or to disregard any criticisms simply because of race is dishonest, disrespectful and pure partisan politics. Who is it that keeps bringing up race again? Oh thats right, the D's. and Rachael Maddow.

Originally Posted by lookout123

Race is the most easy to grasp tool the politicians use to separate us from each other. Some people are more susceptible to the idiocy than others.

Example ... sugarpop

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I find it hard to believe that you think it is OK to go where the president, ANY PRESIDENT, is going to be while carrying a weapon.

IS this something new? Were there changes in the laws? Did Obama or the house suddenly allow people to carry guns to Presidential events? ... whats that? no? Oh, then shut up.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

After reading the posts since the last time I time I was here, I stand by my assertion that a LOT of the negative stuff out there is coming from a place of racism.

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama said Friday that angry criticisms about his health care agenda are driven by an intense debate over the proper role of government — and not by racism.

"Are there people out there who don't like me because of race? I'm sure there are," Obama told CNN. "That's not the overriding issue here."

Time and again, Obama was asked about whether the tenor of the health care debate turned nasty because of undercurrents in racism. Former President Jimmy Carter raised the point prominently this week when he said the vitriol was racially motivated.

Not so, Obama said.

"Now there are some who are, setting aside the issue of race, actually I think are more passionate about the idea of whether government can do anything right," Obama said told ABC News. "And I think that that's probably the biggest driver of some of the vitriol."