Now Australia wants to vote for OUR President??? - Page 2

alphageek31337 · 09-30-2004, 12:53 AM

Globalization is, unfortunately, unavoidable. The fact that people and cargo can literally go around the world within a couple of days (any aerospace buffs no how long it takes a commercial boeing to run the entire equator? it can't be that long), and that information and the all-important Golden God, money, can be moved across the globe instantly means that we have an interconnectedness that the average person cannot possibly comprehend. What happens in other nations matters, and what happens here matters to the rest of the world. What is needed is not anti-globalization Sisyphi, but a system set up to guarantee basic human rights and civil liberties to all peoples, across the globe. We are slowly reaching a point where one world government is not a consideration, but a necessity. That being said, to seperate me from the neocons, I don't think that America should be the one world government. The world should not be one giant America, by any means. What we need is an organization like the UN, but with internationally recognized Human Rights laws in place and a hairy pair enough to back them up. Interdependence cannot be stopped, but sewing soccer balls for $.05(US)/ball is inhuman and must be put to an end. That is all the anti-globalization people want, really; to put a stop to the abuse of the proletariat in these nations. However, ostrich Isolationism isn't the right answer; a strong, multinational force is the way to go.

kash · 09-30-2004, 10:07 PM

404Error: I don't think that the Illuminati would accept me as a member

   No, i had in mind something like what alphageek31337 was expressing: a global body that could pass laws that would have to be enforced by every nation. Now, the question on the law issue is what extent the global body can influence the national body. (Would there even be national bodies?) Human rights and civil rights are a must, in my opinion. We already have the Geneva Convention to cover war, which could be expanded upon or replaced. Criminal acts would probably be defined by the national body (again, if there are even national bodies - property is already distributed, some areas are disputed - Palestine, Kashmir, and other areas with divided ethnicities) or even take it down to the equivalent of the American county being responsible for defining criminal acts? (legalization of drugs, for example) Global tax? It would help distribute wealth to needy underdeveloped nations - which will increase their own income in the future.

   I don't really see any obvious way, other than a globally enforced human and civil rights accord, to stop the abuse by certain nations of their workers.
-kash

lookout123 · 09-30-2004, 11:11 PM

well, i'm thinking america wold break out into and open civil war if our government entered into a global organization with the authority to and ability to come in and enforce their laws here.

10-01-2004, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

well, i'm thinking america wold break out into and open civil war if our government entered into a global organization with the authority to and ability to come in and enforce their laws here.

Gee, sounds suspiciously like another country which has been often featured in the news of late. :p

kash · 10-01-2004, 01:40 PM

   marichiko makes a good point, look at what is happening in Sudan and what happened in Checkoslovakia. I think that that is another reason that this topic should be addressed before the fact, in the hopes of preventing a civil war in America and in other countries. The issues that would cause such a thing could be resolved without violent conflict.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-01-2004, 04:20 PM

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We already have the Geneva Convention to cover war,

That's just to heap punishment on the losers. The winners don't get punished.

10-01-2004, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That's just to heap punishment on the losers. The winners don't get punished.

Winners never do, plus THEY get to write the history books! I'm not holding my breath expecting peace on earth anytime soon.

wolf · 10-01-2004, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

well, i'm thinking america wold break out into and open civil war if our government entered into a global organization with the authority to and ability to come in and enforce their laws here.

I would like to hope that you are right on this one, but I think that independence has been beaten/bred out of most Americans. There are indeed a few of us left, but I don't know if the uprising would last long.

10-01-2004, 10:00 PM

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I would like to hope that you are right on this one, but I think that independence has been beaten/bred out of most Americans. There are indeed a few of us left, but I don't know if the uprising would last long.

Why are you conservatives so down on your own countrymen? You characterize the rest of your fellow Americans as a bunch of spineless, would- be-welfare cheats, traitors, scum, and rabble; and then you run around waving your flags. If that's how you guys really feel, why do you even bother? What is a nation other than a collection of people? I'm a Liberal and I think my American people are wonderful, hard-working, fighters. Get them to wake up and give them a cause to believe in, and they'd give ANYBODY one hell of a good fight! I'd be right beside you on the barricades, Wolf, just throw me a gun!

404Error · 10-05-2004, 07:44 AM

Sticking to the topic of this thread, here's a way the world can vote for our president without actually going through the trouble of becoming a citizen and paying taxes and all.

http://www.theworldvotes.org/

10-05-2004, 12:54 PM

What's wrong with global solidarity? If we had a little more of it, maybe we'd have a little less of global conflicts. I don't seriously believe that people from other countries should get to vote in US elections, but, let's face it, as a global power our leadership does impact the lives of people in other countries. That they should comment on this fact should come as no great surprise.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-05-2004, 07:41 PM

Too many cooks spoil the broth,.....throwing in chilli, curry, haggis, borscht, dog, etc, etc.

10-05-2004, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Too many cooks spoil the broth,.....throwing in chilli, curry, haggis, borscht, dog, etc, etc.

Hey, you got something against the great melting pot cuisine?

09-30-2004, 12:53 AM	#16
alphageek31337 Enemy Combatant/Evildoer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 263	Globalization is, unfortunately, unavoidable. The fact that people and cargo can literally go around the world within a couple of days (any aerospace buffs no how long it takes a commercial boeing to run the entire equator? it can't be that long), and that information and the all-important Golden God, money, can be moved across the globe instantly means that we have an interconnectedness that the average person cannot possibly comprehend. What happens in other nations matters, and what happens here matters to the rest of the world. What is needed is not anti-globalization Sisyphi, but a system set up to guarantee basic human rights and civil liberties to all peoples, across the globe. We are slowly reaching a point where one world government is not a consideration, but a necessity. That being said, to seperate me from the neocons, I don't think that America should be the one world government. The world should not be one giant America, by any means. What we need is an organization like the UN, but with internationally recognized Human Rights laws in place and a hairy pair enough to back them up. Interdependence cannot be stopped, but sewing soccer balls for $.05(US)/ball is inhuman and must be put to an end. That is all the anti-globalization people want, really; to put a stop to the abuse of the proletariat in these nations. However, ostrich Isolationism isn't the right answer; a strong, multinational force is the way to go. __________________ The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. ---Friedrich Nietzsche

09-30-2004, 11:11 PM	#18
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	well, i'm thinking america wold break out into and open civil war if our government entered into a global organization with the authority to and ability to come in and enforce their laws here. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-05-2004, 07:44 AM	#25
404Error Lecturer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CT USA Posts: 826	Sticking to the topic of this thread, here's a way the world can vote for our president without actually going through the trouble of becoming a citizen and paying taxes and all. http://www.theworldvotes.org/ __________________ "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." ~George Mason~

10-05-2004, 07:41 PM	#27
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Too many cooks spoil the broth,.....throwing in chilli, curry, haggis, borscht, dog, etc, etc. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-30-2004, 10:07 PM	#17
kash Rapscallion Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Newburgh, In Posts: 5	404Error: I don't think that the Illuminati would accept me as a member    No, i had in mind something like what alphageek31337 was expressing: a global body that could pass laws that would have to be enforced by every nation. Now, the question on the law issue is what extent the global body can influence the national body. (Would there even be national bodies?) Human rights and civil rights are a must, in my opinion. We already have the Geneva Convention to cover war, which could be expanded upon or replaced. Criminal acts would probably be defined by the national body (again, if there are even national bodies - property is already distributed, some areas are disputed - Palestine, Kashmir, and other areas with divided ethnicities) or even take it down to the equivalent of the American county being responsible for defining criminal acts? (legalization of drugs, for example) Global tax? It would help distribute wealth to needy underdeveloped nations - which will increase their own income in the future.    I don't really see any obvious way, other than a globally enforced human and civil rights accord, to stop the abuse by certain nations of their workers. -kash

10-01-2004, 01:40 PM	#20
kash Rapscallion Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Newburgh, In Posts: 5	marichiko makes a good point, look at what is happening in Sudan and what happened in Checkoslovakia. I think that that is another reason that this topic should be addressed before the fact, in the hopes of preventing a civil war in America and in other countries. The issues that would cause such a thing could be resolved without violent conflict.

10-05-2004, 12:54 PM	#26
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	What's wrong with global solidarity? If we had a little more of it, maybe we'd have a little less of global conflicts. I don't seriously believe that people from other countries should get to vote in US elections, but, let's face it, as a global power our leadership does impact the lives of people in other countries. That they should comment on this fact should come as no great surprise.

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