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10-28-2007, 04:25 PM | #1 | |
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Immigrants
There's been a lot of discussion on the Cellar lately about illegal immigrants. For myself, I care less about how people get here than what they do after they're here.
I got this in the mail today from my Mom. Normally, things of this sort I get from my Mom turn out to be bogus. But in this case snopes says it's the real deal. Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. Quote:
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10-28-2007, 05:34 PM | #2 |
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I think teddy's spewin' bullshit, myself.
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10-28-2007, 06:15 PM | #3 | ||
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Dar, could be it's simpler to you, but to me, it's a very complex variable. I see 'us' Americans as having many cultures, dialects, even languages...both distinct and blended. Would you give some details as to what you like about his point of view? |
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10-28-2007, 10:23 PM | #4 | |
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10-29-2007, 04:10 PM | #5 | |
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10-29-2007, 06:11 PM | #6 |
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Sort of like "African American"?
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10-29-2007, 07:42 PM | #7 |
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Sort of...except the original influx of African 'immigrants' weren't really given a choice. Once in America they weren't able to take on the American identity on account of being classed as subhuman...I suggest the descendents of unwilling slaves have every right to define themselves within modern America.
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10-29-2007, 08:12 PM | #8 |
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As they have had the option for over a century to return to their home countries anytime they wish, I suggest that actions speak louder than words.
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10-29-2007, 08:21 PM | #9 |
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There is the rub. Few can prove such a connection but everyone wants to use the term.
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10-29-2007, 11:36 PM | #10 |
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My question is.... who the eff cares? If someone wants to identify themselves with some other culture, what difference does it make to you?
You can say 'well, if they like it so much they should leave,' or 'they don't deserve to live here.' In the long run, what difference does it make?? They still pay taxes just like everyone else. They don't make your life any worse. If you have so much of a problem with the existence of China towns, or neighborhoods that are primarily made of folks from Ecuador... well that makes one of us.
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10-30-2007, 10:16 AM | #11 |
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Unfortunately, in the case of someone here illegally, and working under the table, they may not pay taxes like everyone else, not to mention the issue of students in the classrooms who don't speak any english, which(and I've seen this firsthand-working for our school district) slows down the learning process for everyone and uses resources which I feel could be better utilized. Sorry if this post is politically incorrect.
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10-30-2007, 10:24 AM | #12 |
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This thread isn't about illegal immigrants, we've beat that horse into the ground. This is about people being absorbed into a culture and leaving theirs behind. I'm saying it doesn't matter if someone calls themselves Japanese Americans and hangs out in Japanese restaurants and hangs a Japanese flag in their bedroom. What difference does it make?
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10-30-2007, 10:25 AM | #13 |
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Besides that, we know where I stand on illegal immigration
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10-30-2007, 10:40 AM | #14 | |
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Not everyone can afford that plane ticket back to Africa... But I agree with quee. Selective acculturation, adopting traits and characteristics essential to surviving in the mainstream atmosphere while retaining non essential cultural values. Like learning the language, laws and social norms but being able to speak the mother tongue at home or celebrate Diwali in two weeks or something like that. What's the harm with that? |
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10-30-2007, 10:45 AM | #15 |
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My personal opinion is that nations which have that diversity and celebrate it are stronger societies and ultimately more cohesive.
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