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11-07-2006, 03:44 PM | #31 | |
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11-07-2006, 03:51 PM | #33 | |
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11-08-2006, 12:25 AM | #34 | ||
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i already said that i didn't realize that it was a christian site. and after looking a third time, i still can discerne no obvious mention of their pro christian viewpoint. And I still think he sounds like a cunt. cunt cunt cunt. Quote:
In your real life, David, are you prone to taking things that are plainly meant in jest and lamely trying to condescend to the perpetrator by taking it seriously and reacting as though they are classless buffoons that meant it literally? just curious. Had you any clue, you'd understand that while I routinely appear to be a hammer, I am actually very wise and genial. It seems that you need literal explanations from people. you know me. don't pretend that you don't.
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11-08-2006, 01:08 AM | #35 | |
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in fact, there seems to be an unstated expectation for you to fail to follow your rules. the assumption that you are inherently flawed. original sin. after all, jesus wouldn;t have been very useful if there was nothing to forgive, or sins to die for, right? So, it makes me think that most people that have 'faith' are willing to surrender their responsibility for holding themselves to their own morals. Why do you need a church to cajole you? why an idol to feel inferior to? if that helps you, great. really. but the attitude of superiority that so often goes hand in hand with it is insufferable to me. I have my own values that are probably different from yours. the difference is that because they are personally mine, i have no expectation that you should adhere to them. religions require that you fall in line with predetermined sets of morals and cause you to feel like you;ve failed if you do it wrong. I have said before that i'm a pickandchoosist. this is why. It's not that i'm an immoral person, and think that religions are wrong. I just think that organized religion is mainly about exerting power over it's followers. And the followers sanction the influence by feeling guilt at their failure to conform to the mold of the perfect follower. i just think your religious philosophy should be a personal and private matter.
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11-08-2006, 08:15 AM | #36 |
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Play Misty for Me. (Utterly pointless AND Clint Eastward).
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11-08-2006, 08:43 AM | #37 | |||||
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All it means is that there's no way to earn salvation through good works. The sacrifice had to be perfect, and the only perfect man was Jesus. The idea that sin is expected is off the mark. Here's chapter 3 of Romans, it explains it in context. Quote:
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What you want is for people to hold their faith in Christ in as low esteem as possible, so as not to insinuate that Christ is lord. If we did that, we would not worship God, but something of our own creation. The God of heaven and earth is not a tidbit to be chosen from a sampler plate of human-concocted deities, put on a little shelf somewhere, and only brought out when no one is going to be offended. Quote:
edited because I overstepped my bounds at the end.
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11-08-2006, 08:51 AM | #38 |
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Why are some Christians so consistently confused about whether those outside of their faith will be swayed by rationalizations that require the listener to share their beliefs, or, sometimes even recite Bible verses ad nauseum (to a non-Christian)? It's pretty clear that somebody outside of that belief system doesn't put the same weight behind those words, therefore they aren't a good way to convince that person.
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11-08-2006, 08:59 AM | #39 |
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I can't convince anyone to accept Christ. All I'm doing is clarifying, to the best of my limited ability, what someone who believes in Christ actually believes, and not allow us to continue to be defined by people who don't know what they're talking about. I use the bible to illustrate it so that you know that it isn't coming from my own head. Sorry that makes you uncomfortable, but it's how I roll, baby. [gang sign]
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11-08-2006, 09:02 AM | #40 |
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Okay, I see what you mean.
It's just that, you do realize that somebody who doesn't "believe in the Bible" isn't going to accept the Bible as a valid reference source, right? If you're not trying to convince them of anything, that's not an issue, I guess. But...aren't you supposed to be recruiting souls for the Lord?
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11-08-2006, 09:04 AM | #42 |
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11-08-2006, 09:05 AM | #43 | |
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I have always questioned faith, and still do. I still search with an open mind. I continually refine my beliefs, but i don;t see myself having an epiphany one day and being re-born. I think that it is a bogus concept. If i 'sin', then i have to live with it. i have to own the responsibility for my actions. I can;t rely on forgiveness of some imagined diety*. Quote:
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Sometimes i think that i have some respect for your faith because you stick to your guns and plainly believe that what you're saying is right. then you say some stupid shit like that. wtf? I want xtians to hold their faith in low esteem? i wish they'd be more respectful of it. as far as the sampler plate goes.....god is not a buffet item? all or nothing? to me the 'God of Heaven and Earth' doesn't mean what it does to you. I think it is important to state that there are many degrees of religious believers. I have varying degrees of respect for them. If you truly believe, and you live your life according to your religion, and it is a religion that does not require you to infringe on the reality of those around you, then i actually admire you. maybe i would have admired jesus, had i known him. I probably would have detested John the Baptist. (*And no matter how many books have been written, God is an imagined diety. You may believe in God with your very core, so to you he is absolutely real. My hunger may be very real to me, but you can't feel it, so it is unreal to you. even though you have experienced the same sensation.) I understand your impression that i feel anger toward christianity, noodle. maybe it is a form of anger, but i see it as more a sense of.....resistance to assimilation? in america, we are hammered with christian values from every angle throughout our childhood. there is an underlying current of assumption that if you are american, and not actively involved in some other religion, that you must be christian. if youre not, your non religiousness is seen by the differences from christianity. it's the home team's religion.
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11-08-2006, 10:13 AM | #45 |
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Well, at any rate, we should know by now where the other is coming from. Took 3 pages, but I'm there, personally.
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