Want to leave the country? It ain't easy! - Page 3

garnet · 11-11-2004, 11:18 AM

I'd love to move to Hawaii--if it gave me a foreign passport and didn't have George W. Bush as President...

garnet · 11-11-2004, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaguar

Estonia is looking good as well, I can't wait to go there, they've got better broadband than us.

I hear Estonia has really cheap booze too. When I was in Finland all the Finns were taking ferries over there to stock up. But since everything is so damned expensive in Finland, maybe it's just cheap for them. But those Finns sure know how to party!

THE SLAYER · 01-19-2005, 12:10 PM

Would Somebody Give Me An actual case, where a Person argued to the courts that Fileing a Tax Return Violated their 5th amendment right not to incriminate themselves... I've heard the mumbo jumbo about the 16th...I care less about them Requireing you to pay, What I wanna Know is (in a hipatehical Case) what would make say a drug dealer, or a mafia guy Report(file taxes) Knowing that it would incriminate his/her illegal activites and Illegally take away his 5th amendment right... I remeber not long ago a person used that on something else important, but for the life of me I can't remember what....

THE SLAYER · 01-19-2005, 01:31 PM

One Other thing, If (drug, Mafia, etc) busness is illegal, then is that said busness taxable? and If the (profits) money earned, is not legal, is that Taxable... Because (and I'll admit, watching too much scarface,) then Requireing you to Report your "illegal Busness" would definately violate your 5th amendment. and if you did not try to hide it (willfulness) then you would only be required to pay whatever is taxable (wich would be their requirment to prove, (and not just that you had money, but that its taxable.) and yes, they could actually prosecute you for the crime, and take all money and (profites, like your house, car ext.) but what if they don't have enough evidence to prosecute, and just want tax evasion.... would that (hipothetically) work against them?

lookout123 · 01-19-2005, 01:55 PM

you may be looking into this a little too deeply. you will eventually get hosed either way.

if you sling rock that is illegal. profits are illegally gained. LE can nail you for that. if you are good enough that they know you are doing it but can't build a case against you they will build a tax evasion case against you.

if you properly file your taxes as a self employed individual the IRS doesn't care where the money comes from as long as they get Uncle's share for him. i understand your concern about how the 5th applies to a 1040, but be real. no one is going to enter "rock slinger" or "hooker" on the line they provide for occupation. they just enter self employed or independent distributor or entertainer, etc... they pay their taxes and that is the end of the story.

if LE can't build a criminal case against them, and they don't have an IRS issue then the individual is fine. until the day they slip up and leave an opening for LE or the IRS. then they are toast.

i don't play these games myself, but i happen to know a few escorts who are fine taxpaying citizens who do walk this fine line.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-19-2005, 07:52 PM

It's much easier to build a tax case than a criminal case. In a tax case the IRS/Justice Department can do an estimate of your income from assets and purported lifestyle and the courts will buy it whereas a criminal charge has to be proven to a much stiffer standard.
If you go to a strip club and nurse a beer for 3 hours, the IRS/JD can portray it as an evening of nightclubing that cost you $500 and get away with it.
Just like the IRS tells waitstaff how much they make in tips and they have to pay on that regardless of what they actually made unless the waiter/waitress makes a federal (literally) case out of it.

footfootfoot · 01-19-2005, 09:29 PM

I've heard that the smart pot growers buy tax stamps (like for ciggies) to cover their crop. I seem to remember something about how the feds took down some gangster during prohibition. It was too tough to prove the booze activity so they got him on tax evasion. I think that tactic still works.

Bottom line: don't fuck with the IRS.

An intersesting footnote: Leona Helmsley could have hired an army of mercenaries and sent them after the taxman for a lot less money than she paid in fines. Some people don't think out of the box.

richlevy · 01-19-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I've heard that the smart pot growers buy tax stamps (like for ciggies) to cover their crop. I seem to remember something about how the feds took down some gangster during prohibition. It was too tough to prove the booze activity so they got him on tax evasion. I think that tactic still works.

It was Al Capone. I agree that it technically might be a violation of 5th Amendment to force individuals to choose between tax evasion and incriminating themselves to the IRS, who would share that info with other law enforcement agencies.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-20-2005, 05:16 AM

Let me tell you, How it will be.
There's one for you, Nineteen for me,
Should five percent, Appear too small,
Be thankful I don't, Take it all.

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street.
If you drive to city, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat.
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Don't ask me what I want it for, (Uh-uh, Mr. Wilson.)
If you don't want to pay some more. (Uh-uh, Mr. Heath.)
And my advice to, Those who die.
Declare the pennies, On your eyes.

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman,
And you're working for no one but me.

THE SLAYER · 01-23-2005, 02:45 PM

boy I really like that Taxman Poem...hahaha

THE SLAYER · 01-23-2005, 02:52 PM

oh, Buy the way, I think the Capone Thing Was What I was Thinking about, of Course, Back then the judges aren't like they are today.

01-19-2005, 12:10 PM	#33
THE SLAYER Recruit or Something Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4	Tax Crack...again Would Somebody Give Me An actual case, where a Person argued to the courts that Fileing a Tax Return Violated their 5th amendment right not to incriminate themselves... I've heard the mumbo jumbo about the 16th...I care less about them Requireing you to pay, What I wanna Know is (in a hipatehical Case) what would make say a drug dealer, or a mafia guy Report(file taxes) Knowing that it would incriminate his/her illegal activites and Illegally take away his 5th amendment right... I remeber not long ago a person used that on something else important, but for the life of me I can't remember what....

01-19-2005, 01:31 PM	#34
THE SLAYER Recruit or Something Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4	The Tax Crack 2 One Other thing, If (drug, Mafia, etc) busness is illegal, then is that said busness taxable? and If the (profits) money earned, is not legal, is that Taxable... Because (and I'll admit, watching too much scarface,) then Requireing you to Report your "illegal Busness" would definately violate your 5th amendment. and if you did not try to hide it (willfulness) then you would only be required to pay whatever is taxable (wich would be their requirment to prove, (and not just that you had money, but that its taxable.) and yes, they could actually prosecute you for the crime, and take all money and (profites, like your house, car ext.) but what if they don't have enough evidence to prosecute, and just want tax evasion.... would that (hipothetically) work against them?

01-19-2005, 01:55 PM	#35
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	you may be looking into this a little too deeply. you will eventually get hosed either way. if you sling rock that is illegal. profits are illegally gained. LE can nail you for that. if you are good enough that they know you are doing it but can't build a case against you they will build a tax evasion case against you. if you properly file your taxes as a self employed individual the IRS doesn't care where the money comes from as long as they get Uncle's share for him. i understand your concern about how the 5th applies to a 1040, but be real. no one is going to enter "rock slinger" or "hooker" on the line they provide for occupation. they just enter self employed or independent distributor or entertainer, etc... they pay their taxes and that is the end of the story. if LE can't build a criminal case against them, and they don't have an IRS issue then the individual is fine. until the day they slip up and leave an opening for LE or the IRS. then they are toast. i don't play these games myself, but i happen to know a few escorts who are fine taxpaying citizens who do walk this fine line. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-19-2005, 07:52 PM	#36
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It's much easier to build a tax case than a criminal case. In a tax case the IRS/Justice Department can do an estimate of your income from assets and purported lifestyle and the courts will buy it whereas a criminal charge has to be proven to a much stiffer standard. If you go to a strip club and nurse a beer for 3 hours, the IRS/JD can portray it as an evening of nightclubing that cost you $500 and get away with it. Just like the IRS tells waitstaff how much they make in tips and they have to pay on that regardless of what they actually made unless the waiter/waitress makes a federal (literally) case out of it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-19-2005, 09:29 PM	#37
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I've heard that the smart pot growers buy tax stamps (like for ciggies) to cover their crop. I seem to remember something about how the feds took down some gangster during prohibition. It was too tough to prove the booze activity so they got him on tax evasion. I think that tactic still works. Bottom line: don't fuck with the IRS. An intersesting footnote: Leona Helmsley could have hired an army of mercenaries and sent them after the taxman for a lot less money than she paid in fines. Some people don't think out of the box. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

11-11-2004, 11:18 AM	#31
garnet ... Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 657	I'd love to move to Hawaii--if it gave me a foreign passport and didn't have George W. Bush as President...

01-20-2005, 05:16 AM	#39
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Let me tell you, How it will be. There's one for you, Nineteen for me, Should five percent, Appear too small, Be thankful I don't, Take it all. If you drive a car, I'll tax the street. If you drive to city, I'll tax your seat. If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat. If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet. Don't ask me what I want it for, (Uh-uh, Mr. Wilson.) If you don't want to pay some more. (Uh-uh, Mr. Heath.) And my advice to, Those who die. Declare the pennies, On your eyes. 'Cause I'm the taxman. Yeah, I'm the taxman, And you're working for no one but me. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-23-2005, 02:45 PM	#40
THE SLAYER Recruit or Something Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4	boy I really like that Taxman Poem...hahaha

01-23-2005, 02:52 PM	#41
THE SLAYER Recruit or Something Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4	oh, Buy the way, I think the Capone Thing Was What I was Thinking about, of Course, Back then the judges aren't like they are today.

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