Illegal Handguns

Spexxvet · 05-08-2007, 11:50 AM

Michael Nutter, candidate for mayor of Philadelphia, is proposing on-the-spot searches for illegal handguns. From Here:

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Proven tactics such as stop and frisk and aggressively enforcing arrest warrants will help to get illegal guns off the street and also the people who are more inclined to use them.

Is this something gun advocates would support?

glatt · 05-08-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Michael Nutter, candidate for mayor of Philadelphia, is proposing on-the-spot searches for illegal handguns. From Here:

Is this something gun advocates would support?

Yeah! Frisk everybody. Make checkpoints on all streets too. And cameras. Lots of cameras. Might as well issue papers to everyone too, you know, to keep track of them. Actually, tattoos would be better, since you can't transfer them. Use special ink to cut down on forgery.

We'll be safe.

Happy Monkey · 05-08-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Is this something gun advocates would support?

I think that's somthing that few gun control advocates would even support.

busterb · 05-08-2007, 12:23 PM

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Michael Nutter, candidate for mayor of Philadelphia

Wonder if he's kin to the cowboy mayor of Jackson,ms.
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pb...melton_archive

TheMercenary · 05-08-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Yeah! Frisk everybody. Make checkpoints on all streets too. And cameras. Lots of cameras. Might as well issue papers to everyone too, you know, to keep track of them. Actually, tattoos would be better, since you can't transfer them. Use special ink to cut down on forgery.

We'll be safe.

Make the jews wear yellow stars and the gays wear pink triangles. How about something for illegal aliens.

Undertoad · 05-08-2007, 12:51 PM

Proposing uncontitutional things that sound tough is a political trick to get elected and not actually have to change anything or spend any money. "Well I tried but the stupid courts held me back! But I'm still the toughest on crime ever!!!"

Similarly, see flag burning amendment and gay marriage amendment. Nothing changed except perceptions. It's fake leadership.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-10-2007, 11:28 PM

On balance, no. Society-wide, the best rebuttal to an illegally carried gun is one or more legally carried ones. It suppresses crime and follows the Constitution's provisions for individual rights.

Nor does the citizen necessarily have to jump through legal hoops to carry. Case in point: Vermont, where there is no permit of any sort required for concealed carry. Even with their population density increasing, what with all the immigrants from Massachusetts, can you recall all those massacres of Vermonters in bars, parks, ball games, and traffic accidents?

Vermont shows us the proper use of arms is quite independent of any permitting process.

Ibby · 05-10-2007, 11:30 PM

Which is why, as everyone knows, Vermont is the coolest state ever - and definitely the most liberal.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-11-2007, 04:23 AM

It's a nice place to visit, but....

TheMercenary · 05-11-2007, 08:28 AM

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It's a nice place to visit, but....

but... to cold in the winter. After being stationed in Hawaii for 3 years we vowed we would never live where we had to shovel snow again.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-17-2007, 11:04 AM

Darn good syrup, though.

Pie · 05-17-2007, 11:51 AM

I actually like snow. Maybe I should move up north till I get sick of it.

Rexmons · 05-17-2007, 11:53 AM

if only there was some kind of law preventing illegal search or seizure.

Spexxvet · 05-17-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rexmons

if only there was some kind of law preventing illegal search or seizure.

Has anyone heard of this thing caled "probable cause". What is that, anyway?

Happy Monkey · 05-17-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Has anyone heard of this thing caled "probable cause".

Not the CIA director.

05-10-2007, 11:28 PM	#7
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	On balance, no. Society-wide, the best rebuttal to an illegally carried gun is one or more legally carried ones. It suppresses crime and follows the Constitution's provisions for individual rights. Nor does the citizen necessarily have to jump through legal hoops to carry. Case in point: Vermont, where there is no permit of any sort required for concealed carry. Even with their population density increasing, what with all the immigrants from Massachusetts, can you recall all those massacres of Vermonters in bars, parks, ball games, and traffic accidents? Vermont shows us the proper use of arms is quite independent of any permitting process. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Which is why, as everyone knows, Vermont is the coolest state ever - and definitely the most liberal. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

05-11-2007, 04:23 AM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It's a nice place to visit, but.... __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-17-2007, 11:04 AM	#11
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Darn good syrup, though. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

05-17-2007, 11:51 AM	#12
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	I actually like snow. Maybe I should move up north till I get sick of it. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

05-08-2007, 12:51 PM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Proposing uncontitutional things that sound tough is a political trick to get elected and not actually have to change anything or spend any money. "Well I tried but the stupid courts held me back! But I'm still the toughest on crime ever!!!" Similarly, see flag burning amendment and gay marriage amendment. Nothing changed except perceptions. It's fake leadership.

05-17-2007, 11:53 AM	#13
Rexmons - Kavkaz United - Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 613	if only there was some kind of law preventing illegal search or seizure. __________________ "Life's a bitch but God forbid the bitch divorce me..."

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