New York Times reportor's false news affair

Billy · 05-19-2003, 06:32 AM

I saw the New York Times reporter made false news on paper these days. Many China news paper reported this news. It warned the public to supervise the newspaer. In 2002 one China doctor professor, Wang MingMing was found by one student that he plagiarized other's book. The student read all his book. He found that Wang's book copied one west writer's book that Wang translate into Chinese. Now there are lot of newspaper published. The publishers want to attract readers by anecdotes and strange news. Many of them may be false. What newspaper do we need? What reporters do we need? How the readers should do to protect the society morality?

Griff · 05-19-2003, 07:49 AM

This wasn't the first time the Times has had a rogue reporter. As bad as it can be, I still prefer it to a state media which doesn't have competitors keeping it honest.

SteveDallas · 05-19-2003, 09:19 AM

Yeah, God forbid there should be any other inaccurate reporting in our news media.

Griff · 05-19-2003, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by SteveDallas
Yeah, God forbid there should be any other inaccurate reporting in our news media.

That's why I get all my news from cellar.org,

tw · 05-19-2003, 10:35 AM

Why was this rouge NY Times reporter exposed? Not because of actions by top management. IOW this reporter existed so long because the NY Times has a management problem. In an extraordinary open meeting of employees, the employees were outrightly furious. There were too many indications that this reporter was a problem AND employees are not happy with some top NY Times managers. Most NY Times reporters are the best in the business. So why was someone with so many obvious mistakes allowed to keep reporting - instead of using those other better employees?

So aggressive was employee response in that open meeting that top management better be, right now, deciding who in top management created this rogue reporter and address other not well publicized problems in the NY Times.

In the meantime, this problem was exposed by a San Antonio TX newspaper. Therein lies the power of many independent and free press sources. Therein lies the weakness of any "government only" press system. Because top management is the reason for most problems, then the only way to keep top management honest is open competition and other independent sources of facts and products. A free market press. Top management without free market compeition will easily become corrupt. It is the nature of living in the ethersphere - called 'top management'.

NY Times has a few more problems than just one rouge reporter. But none of those problems would be solved if there were no other news reporting organizations such as the San Antonio newspaper.

The problem of free market philosophy is that everyone is doing the same thing - too much redundancy - too much wasted manpower. The power of free markets is that everyone is doing the same thing redunantly. That reporter existed because NY Times management protected his incompetence - until a free market and indpedent press exposed the problem - top management being the fundamental reason.

Whit · 05-19-2003, 11:14 AM

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Posted by Griff
That's why I get all my news from cellar.org,

     On the last thread on this topic, Wolf's 'Journalistic lack of integrity' thread, there was some discussion of news sources. I suggested, and a few people agreed that the Daily Show was the best news source out there. Everyone can decide for themselves if that's a joke or not.

elSicomoro · 05-19-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by tw
So why was someone with so many obvious mistakes allowed to keep reporting - instead of using those other better employees?

A very bad use of Affirmative Action.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-19-2003, 04:27 PM

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Therein lies the power of many independent and free press sources.

Why bother when I can spend my time checking out online porn, the come to the cellar and have ScotSoloman tell the truth.

Billy · 05-20-2003, 05:24 AM

I hope to see the real news.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-20-2003, 08:59 AM

OK, but what is "real" news? Anything that happens is viewed/ seen/ witnessed by anyone, subject to their perspective. That's why you can have 5 eyewitnesses to something and get at least 3 conflicting accounts. Reporters are just people. Although they should be better trained at being thorough and objective, their own perspective in bound to creep into their reports. Then there's the editors and their perspective, not to mention business pressures. Lastly, if it's reported on TV or radio, you have the voice inflections of the newscaster.
"Real" is relative.

alamuhan · 05-20-2003, 10:22 AM

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"Real" is relative.

Yes.

I think the better way to have a relative "real news" is
to have as much as u can , then u can get something "real" from compare.

Billy · 05-22-2003, 05:47 AM

The better way is that you don't see any news, just see use your eyes. Sometimes your eyes would cheat you.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-22-2003, 03:17 PM

Interesting point, Billy. Maybe we're all to obsessed with things we can't see. I mean things that are happening way to far away to see ourselves. Example- O.J. Simpson. How many people did that really affect? Damn few. Now I know there are things too far away to see that do affect me. But the hyping media wants me to believe many others do when they simply don't.

Billy · 05-23-2003, 07:16 AM

Do you like XO wine? Who you have so many XO before your name.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-23-2003, 04:44 PM

Is that anything like Dog Penis Wine?

05-19-2003, 06:32 AM	#1
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	New York Times reportor's false news affair I saw the New York Times reporter made false news on paper these days. Many China news paper reported this news. It warned the public to supervise the newspaer. In 2002 one China doctor professor, Wang MingMing was found by one student that he plagiarized other's book. The student read all his book. He found that Wang's book copied one west writer's book that Wang translate into Chinese. Now there are lot of newspaper published. The publishers want to attract readers by anecdotes and strange news. Many of them may be false. What newspaper do we need? What reporters do we need? How the readers should do to protect the society morality?

05-19-2003, 07:49 AM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	This wasn't the first time the Times has had a rogue reporter. As bad as it can be, I still prefer it to a state media which doesn't have competitors keeping it honest. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

05-19-2003, 10:35 AM	#5
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Why was this rouge NY Times reporter exposed? Not because of actions by top management. IOW this reporter existed so long because the NY Times has a management problem. In an extraordinary open meeting of employees, the employees were outrightly furious. There were too many indications that this reporter was a problem AND employees are not happy with some top NY Times managers. Most NY Times reporters are the best in the business. So why was someone with so many obvious mistakes allowed to keep reporting - instead of using those other better employees? So aggressive was employee response in that open meeting that top management better be, right now, deciding who in top management created this rogue reporter and address other not well publicized problems in the NY Times. In the meantime, this problem was exposed by a San Antonio TX newspaper. Therein lies the power of many independent and free press sources. Therein lies the weakness of any "government only" press system. Because top management is the reason for most problems, then the only way to keep top management honest is open competition and other independent sources of facts and products. A free market press. Top management without free market compeition will easily become corrupt. It is the nature of living in the ethersphere - called 'top management'. NY Times has a few more problems than just one rouge reporter. But none of those problems would be solved if there were no other news reporting organizations such as the San Antonio newspaper. The problem of free market philosophy is that everyone is doing the same thing - too much redundancy - too much wasted manpower. The power of free markets is that everyone is doing the same thing redunantly. That reporter existed because NY Times management protected his incompetence - until a free market and indpedent press exposed the problem - top management being the fundamental reason. Last edited by tw; 05-19-2003 at 10:45 AM.

05-20-2003, 05:24 AM	#9
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	Maybe we make flase post now I hope to see the real news.

05-20-2003, 08:59 AM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	OK, but what is "real" news? Anything that happens is viewed/ seen/ witnessed by anyone, subject to their perspective. That's why you can have 5 eyewitnesses to something and get at least 3 conflicting accounts. Reporters are just people. Although they should be better trained at being thorough and objective, their own perspective in bound to creep into their reports. Then there's the editors and their perspective, not to mention business pressures. Lastly, if it's reported on TV or radio, you have the voice inflections of the newscaster. "Real" is relative. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-19-2003, 09:19 AM	#3
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Yeah, God forbid there should be any other inaccurate reporting in our news media.

05-22-2003, 05:47 AM	#12
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	It is difficult to djuge the news The better way is that you don't see any news, just see use your eyes. Sometimes your eyes would cheat you.

05-22-2003, 03:17 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Interesting point, Billy. Maybe we're all to obsessed with things we can't see. I mean things that are happening way to far away to see ourselves. Example- O.J. Simpson. How many people did that really affect? Damn few. Now I know there are things too far away to see that do affect me. But the hyping media wants me to believe many others do when they simply don't. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-23-2003, 07:16 AM	#14
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	Yeah, XOB Do you like XO wine? Who you have so many XO before your name.

05-23-2003, 04:44 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Is that anything like Dog Penis Wine? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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