8/16/2005: Kiss, 60 years later

Undertoad · 08-16-2005, 10:14 AM

xoB catches this. The official caption says Carl Muscarello and Edith Shane, who claim to be the subjects in Alfred Eisenstaedt's famous VJ Day photograph, commemorate the image's 60th anniversary next to a statue of their historic kiss in New York's Times Square. But it's not an IotD without the kissers on the right.

Bullitt · 08-16-2005, 10:17 AM

"The times they are a changin' "

mrnoodle · 08-16-2005, 10:23 AM

the mic position gave me a double take as well.

i bet they already owned the sailor hats.

glatt · 08-16-2005, 10:25 AM

Well, HELLO sailor!

mlandman · 08-16-2005, 10:25 AM

look look we're gay! See, we're gay! Everyone needs to know.... we're gay!

Nice positioning of the microphone in his hand, too.

<sigh>

bobspoon · 08-16-2005, 10:58 AM

Come on, we have to call bullshit on that pair of old fraudsters. I know we all shrink a bit as we get older, but the height disparity between the man and the woman is ridiculous - he's probably a foot and a half taller than her - whereas they're of the same height in the original picture.. He's taller than the sailor in the original picture by a fair way, to my eye, whereas she's gotten stumpier.

http://www.temple.edu/photo/photogra...mousworks.html

...did I mention that I was at Woodstock? And at the wall in '89...

Neurotica · 08-16-2005, 12:15 PM

mlandman--
So do you consider every opposite-sex couple that kisses in public to be flaunting their heterosexuality? Or is dispalying affection in public without being called an "attention whore" some sort of "right" conferred by heterosexual privilege?

Bullitt · 08-16-2005, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobspoon

Come on, we have to call bullshit on that pair of old fraudsters. I know we all shrink a bit as we get older, but the height disparity between the man and the woman is ridiculous - he's probably a foot and a half taller than her - whereas they're of the same height in the original picture.. He's taller than the sailor in the original picture by a fair way, to my eye, whereas she's gotten stumpier.
...did I mention that I was at Woodstock? And at the wall in '89...

the statue is on a pedastal.. compare the positions of the feet between the people and the statue

xant · 08-16-2005, 12:29 PM

Bullitt, he's not talking about their heights, he's mainly talking about their relative heights, and I see it too.

* The man appears to be taller than the man in the statue. (Is the statue accurate wrt scale in the photo?)
* The woman may or may not be shorter. It's hard to tell, and old people shrink anyway, so I'm not going to make much of that.
* The difference between their two heights is much greater.

Even accounting for shrinkage in the woman, the man appears to have gotten a lot taller. It doesn't seem like this would be such a hard thing to verify, but on the surface they don't look right.

barefoot serpent · 08-16-2005, 12:42 PM

is that an omnidirectional in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

Elspode · 08-16-2005, 12:55 PM

I would far rather see two people kissing, regardless of gender, than something more offensive like, say, fighting, suing each other, ripping each other off. Kissing is good.

BTW...did anyone else click on this IOTD title thinking they were going to see Gene Simmons in a wheelchair?

mrnoodle · 08-16-2005, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

BTW...did anyone else click on this IOTD title thinking they were going to see Gene Simmons in a wheelchair?

Me.

re: height
my dad grew several inches from the age of 20-30 (he's only 5'9" or 10" still). My brother is 29, and he grew an inch (from 6'1" to 6'2") in the last 2 years. I don't think the height discrepancy is necessarily a dealbreaker.

Happy Monkey · 08-16-2005, 01:19 PM

Plus, in the original photo, the sailor is bending over, so it's hard to tell exactly what the height difference is.

Karenv · 08-16-2005, 01:39 PM

Besides women shrink a lot more than men do- men lose bone to osteoporosis, but since they have more to begin with it rarely affects height. And women get more curvature. Plus, notice that she is wearing heels in the original and sneakers today.

And need we mention that the scupture is not a photograph even if it was done from a photograph? So some of the height differential may be due to artistic license.

Clodfobble · 08-16-2005, 03:54 PM

My grandmother used to be 5'8". She is now 4'10".

I read somewhere that this lady is the only one who ever claimed to be the woman in the photo, but that almost a dozen men have claimed to be the man. I think they picked this one guy not because they were sure, but because they wanted "the couple" for the commemoration ceremony.

I think it's cute that she'll only let him kiss her on the cheek this time.

08-16-2005, 10:14 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	8/16/2005: Kiss, 60 years later xoB catches this. The official caption says Carl Muscarello and Edith Shane, who claim to be the subjects in Alfred Eisenstaedt's famous VJ Day photograph, commemorate the image's 60th anniversary next to a statue of their historic kiss in New York's Times Square. But it's not an IotD without the kissers on the right.

08-16-2005, 10:17 AM	#2
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	"The times they are a changin' " __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

08-16-2005, 10:25 AM	#5
mlandman Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 87	attention whore look look we're gay! See, we're gay! Everyone needs to know.... we're gay! Nice positioning of the microphone in his hand, too. <sigh>

08-16-2005, 12:55 PM	#11
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I would far rather see two people kissing, regardless of gender, than something more offensive like, say, fighting, suing each other, ripping each other off. Kissing is good. BTW...did anyone else click on this IOTD title thinking they were going to see Gene Simmons in a wheelchair? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

08-16-2005, 01:19 PM	#13
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Plus, in the original photo, the sailor is bending over, so it's hard to tell exactly what the height difference is. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-16-2005, 10:23 AM	#3
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	the mic position gave me a double take as well. i bet they already owned the sailor hats.

08-16-2005, 10:25 AM	#4
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Well, HELLO sailor!

08-16-2005, 10:58 AM	#6
bobspoon Fellow-Commoner Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 10	Come on, we have to call bullshit on that pair of old fraudsters. I know we all shrink a bit as we get older, but the height disparity between the man and the woman is ridiculous - he's probably a foot and a half taller than her - whereas they're of the same height in the original picture.. He's taller than the sailor in the original picture by a fair way, to my eye, whereas she's gotten stumpier. http://www.temple.edu/photo/photogra...mousworks.html ...did I mention that I was at Woodstock? And at the wall in '89...

08-16-2005, 12:15 PM	#7
Neurotica Part-time internet junkie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 14	mlandman-- So do you consider every opposite-sex couple that kisses in public to be flaunting their heterosexuality? Or is dispalying affection in public without being called an "attention whore" some sort of "right" conferred by heterosexual privilege?

08-16-2005, 12:29 PM	#9
xant Belt Conveyor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 65	Bullitt, he's not talking about their heights, he's mainly talking about their relative heights, and I see it too. * The man appears to be taller than the man in the statue. (Is the statue accurate wrt scale in the photo?) * The woman may or may not be shorter. It's hard to tell, and old people shrink anyway, so I'm not going to make much of that. * The difference between their two heights is much greater. Even accounting for shrinkage in the woman, the man appears to have gotten a lot taller. It doesn't seem like this would be such a hard thing to verify, but on the surface they don't look right.

08-16-2005, 12:42 PM	#10
barefoot serpent go ahead, abbrev. it Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 2,623	is that an omnidirectional in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

08-16-2005, 01:39 PM	#14
Karenv Slacker Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 144	Besides women shrink a lot more than men do- men lose bone to osteoporosis, but since they have more to begin with it rarely affects height. And women get more curvature. Plus, notice that she is wearing heels in the original and sneakers today. And need we mention that the scupture is not a photograph even if it was done from a photograph? So some of the height differential may be due to artistic license.

08-16-2005, 03:54 PM	#15
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	My grandmother used to be 5'8". She is now 4'10". I read somewhere that this lady is the only one who ever claimed to be the woman in the photo, but that almost a dozen men have claimed to be the man. I think they picked this one guy not because they were sure, but because they wanted "the couple" for the commemoration ceremony. I think it's cute that she'll only let him kiss her on the cheek this time.

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