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07-18-2007, 02:47 AM | #1 | |||
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Danger in Employers' Files
This is something to think about. From Calum Coburn Associates.
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Educational Records Criminal and Incarceration Records. Arrest records Litigation and Court Records Driving and Motor Vehicle Records Drug Testing Financial Information Friends and Neighbors Insurance Records License Records Military Service Records Social Security Number (or equivalent outside the U.S.) All this information, or misinformation, in a neat little package that the news has shown us all recently, can be lost or stolen. Quote:
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07-18-2007, 07:52 AM | #2 |
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Dang, I better stay here...I'll never get another job.
It seems wrong. I guess if you're looking for a job in the CIA or something these things would be relevant, but where does it end?
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07-18-2007, 08:13 AM | #3 |
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But wouldn't it be even worse to find out that your employer hired a convicted rapist, he's sitting in the cubicle next to you, and you are both planning to stay late that night to get some extra work done?
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07-18-2007, 08:16 AM | #4 | |
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Just points to ponder.
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07-18-2007, 08:24 AM | #5 |
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Shawnee - Where did you get MY records????
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07-18-2007, 08:32 AM | #6 |
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Bwaaahaaahaaaaaa. I have powers. I have access. I have sources. (I have...nothing. Crap.)
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07-18-2007, 08:51 AM | #7 | |
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I don't have any problem with the criminal checks. I'm uneasy about credit checks, but if part of the job is to handle large sums of money and/or have a corporate credit card, then I think it's reasonable for an employer to see if a person is responsible with money. |
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07-18-2007, 09:00 AM | #8 |
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Are these checks being done before or after getting hired? If before then the guy might not even get the chance to explain or refute the info, no? I agree with you glatt on the credit checks tho - that should be for specific situations only. Then again it could lend insight to a persons moral or ethical behavior if I guy does or doesn't pay his bills ~~~~
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07-18-2007, 09:11 AM | #9 | |
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Some people don't ask for credit problems. It DOES happen to good, honest people, whether through job loss, family health issues, catastrophe. Hopefully they can explain. If the explanation is "I didn't want to give up my (insert hot car name here)" then that is another story. Victims of circumstance, or even people who went down a very bad path some time ago, should spend the rest of their lives trying to show the world they deserve a chance? Not in the world I idealistically long for. Besides, you never know what you're going to get until you hire someone and they start working. In all my institution's extensive wisdom and education, I have seen many a hiring committee hire the guy who answers all the questions correctly, who looks good on paper, and who passes all background checks...only to find they're a raving asshole or incompetent who can't make it in the real world of work. They need a virtual job to go with their virtual identity.
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07-18-2007, 09:50 AM | #10 |
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We do a fair amount of hiring each year for my dept., and we use an agency that does a criminal background check. They may also do a credit check. I'm not really sure, since our HR department handles the details.
We don't do any checking unless we have decided we plan to make an offer. Why waste money on an unknown candidate, right? Anyway, almost everyone comes back completely clean. This year, we had someone come back with a problem on her criminal record. After looking at the problem, and thinking about how much we liked her, we decided it was not a big deal, and we hired her anyway. My point is that we want to hire people to fill our open positions. We look for ways that we can hire them. We don't look for ways to avoid hiring them. The background check is just a tool so we don't get burned. |
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07-18-2007, 10:05 AM | #12 |
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That's the way it should work, Glatt. Good for your hire!
You know, though, you may almost always get clean background checks because the Josie Schmo's of the world wouldn't dare apply there because of their past. They may opt to work at a non-background checked place to avoid embarrassment. It's not a perfect system, I guess is what I'm saying. But what is?
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07-18-2007, 10:54 AM | #13 | |
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After all, someone in my chain of command hired an "ex"-junkie, gave him access to patients' medications and money, and put him in an extremely stressful situation. We spent several weeks dancing and making rude gestures in front of the "clock radio" until they finally had enough evidence to file charges that would stick.
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07-18-2007, 11:26 AM | #14 |
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i work for a "union" mechanical contractor. the reason i note union is because 99.9% of our work is for the government, ie oak ridge (y-12, x-10 etc) a large percentage of the guys who do the work have q-clearances. they go through a serious background investigation, most of the time it takes up to a year to get these clearances. they run a 10 year history initially - your "whole" family, where you lived, people who knew you then, where you worked, what schooling you had/have, military history, credit history, arrest history - anything and everything. after their approval they are reinvestigated every 5 years - same stuff. the paperwork alone is extensive, just because most of the guys travel to where the work is. they sign a release form for the credit, medical and personnel records, so when the p.i.'s show up they show me the form then i tell 'em what i know.
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07-18-2007, 12:43 PM | #15 | |
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I had a boss that wanted to have me bonded, and mentioned that he usually uses a private investigator to do research before doing that. I thought, "no biggy......". Just a data search right...sounds reasonable. And a raise too! That nut-bag had me followed and I quit. WTF?!? He wasn't going to pay me that much....and most of the work he does isn't that secret....it was Real Estate for heaven's sake! It should end with stalking your employee. Not that it does, but if you are me....that is where it definitely ends (if I'm made aware of it). What a nut-bag... |
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