New gun control: Shut down shops

TheMercenary · 06-27-2007, 01:55 PM

The government is using paperwork errors as small as the abbreviation of a city name to shut down some of the nation's longest-serving gun shops, and 2nd Amendment advocates fear the right to bear arms will mean little if there's no way to obtain a gun.

"No good deed goes unpunished," Larry Pratt, of Gun Owners of America, told WND while confirming that as recently as 15 or 20 years ago, there were 250,000 licensed gun dealers in the United States.

Today, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told WND, there are 108,381, and if more cases involving dealers such as Red's Trading Post of Twin Falls, Idaho, develop, that number will plummet quickly.

Ryan Horsley, a spokesman for Red's, which has been in business 71 years, said the store has been battling over its license because of rules infractions such as a missing poster for more than six years.

Red's manager Ryan Horsley

He's launched an online petition asking Congress to intervene and halt the "blatant targeting of law abiding dealers." It also seeks a "fair, constitutional and speedy appeals process" and has attracted thousands of signatures.

His company also has a federal lawsuit pending against the ATF over its announcement that Red's firearms dealership license was being withdrawn.

Attorney Mark Geston said the case asks the court to review the statute and the "propriety" of the decision that was made.

Horsley said the reason Red's is facing a revocation is – at most – insignificant paperwork mistakes.

the rest of the story:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=56389

glatt · 06-27-2007, 02:01 PM

The manager of the store being shut down for violations wouldn't be spinning the story at all, would he?

Shawnee123 · 06-27-2007, 02:03 PM

I'd like to see the ACTUAL reports. We're held accountable in our audits for missing the slightest things. It's the feds, it's the way it is. That's why it's called bureacracy.

TheMercenary · 06-27-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

The manager of the store being shut down for violations wouldn't be spinning the story at all, would he?

And the government would never do such things would they?

Shawnee123 · 06-27-2007, 02:07 PM

lol @ merc. The govt LOVES the guns, you silly boy.

Flint · 06-27-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And the government would never do such things would they?

What "such things"? Execute a massive covert operation designed to bring about de facto gun control through sinister application of red tape? Those "such things"? Who is in charge of this operation? Let's call it "Operation Gun-Free America". Who is in charge of "Operation Gun-Free America" and what agencies is this mystery man using to blindside an unsuspecting nation who won't realize that all the gun shops are closed until it's too late?

fargon · 06-27-2007, 02:35 PM

I think we give the BATF assholes hell with e-mails and letters, phone calls would to. We need to ask them when did it become illegal to be a law abiding citizen. I'm gonna do just that and if they come after me they ATF assholes will be enjoying the hospitality of La Crosse County for a long time.

wolf · 06-27-2007, 03:24 PM

This is not so different from the sweep that closed down a lot of what were called "kitchen table dealers," folks with properly executed and legal FFLs that didn't sell from a physical store location.

glatt · 06-27-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And the government would never do such things would they?

They might, but we don't know their side of the story because it isn't included in the article. The store manager and the store's lawyer are the only source of the "facts" in this case for this article. The article didn't even list the violations against the store, which would surely be public record somewhere. Even my local paper does that for restaurants that are being closed for rat poop.

06-27-2007, 03:31 PM

I'm sure most Australian gun owners said the same thing, "our government would never"... but they were wrong.
We need to learn from their mistake.

wolf · 06-27-2007, 03:33 PM

The Specific Violations

06-27-2007, 03:34 PM

They closed the store for that!?
What a joke!

The charge is incumbent upon the FBI to input a safe and secure background check system and they have promised it for YEARS. They don't want one.
That is the truth.

Shawnee123 · 06-27-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

The Specific Violations

The specific violations as explained by Ryan Horsley.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-27-2007, 04:01 PM

And reviewed by the Judge that allowed them to continue operation.

glatt · 06-27-2007, 04:10 PM

What Shawnee said, plus it doesn't say these are the only three violations. Is Red's cherrypicking examples? It would be nice if there was any independent information at all.

I don't care enough to dig for it myself, but I'm going to take anything Red's or its lawyers say with a grain of salt. They are the very definition of a biased party here.

06-27-2007, 01:55 PM	#1
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	New gun control: Shut down shops The government is using paperwork errors as small as the abbreviation of a city name to shut down some of the nation's longest-serving gun shops, and 2nd Amendment advocates fear the right to bear arms will mean little if there's no way to obtain a gun. "No good deed goes unpunished," Larry Pratt, of Gun Owners of America, told WND while confirming that as recently as 15 or 20 years ago, there were 250,000 licensed gun dealers in the United States. Today, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told WND, there are 108,381, and if more cases involving dealers such as Red's Trading Post of Twin Falls, Idaho, develop, that number will plummet quickly. Ryan Horsley, a spokesman for Red's, which has been in business 71 years, said the store has been battling over its license because of rules infractions such as a missing poster for more than six years. Red's manager Ryan Horsley He's launched an online petition asking Congress to intervene and halt the "blatant targeting of law abiding dealers." It also seeks a "fair, constitutional and speedy appeals process" and has attracted thousands of signatures. His company also has a federal lawsuit pending against the ATF over its announcement that Red's firearms dealership license was being withdrawn. Attorney Mark Geston said the case asks the court to review the statute and the "propriety" of the decision that was made. Horsley said the reason Red's is facing a revocation is – at most – insignificant paperwork mistakes. the rest of the story: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=56389 __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

06-27-2007, 02:03 PM	#3
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I'd like to see the ACTUAL reports. We're held accountable in our audits for missing the slightest things. It's the feds, it's the way it is. That's why it's called bureacracy. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-27-2007, 02:07 PM	#5
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	lol @ merc. The govt LOVES the guns, you silly boy. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

06-27-2007, 02:35 PM	#7
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	I think we give the BATF assholes hell with e-mails and letters, phone calls would to. We need to ask them when did it become illegal to be a law abiding citizen. I'm gonna do just that and if they come after me they ATF assholes will be enjoying the hospitality of La Crosse County for a long time. __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

06-27-2007, 03:24 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	This is not so different from the sweep that closed down a lot of what were called "kitchen table dealers," folks with properly executed and legal FFLs that didn't sell from a physical store location. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-27-2007, 02:01 PM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	The manager of the store being shut down for violations wouldn't be spinning the story at all, would he?

06-27-2007, 03:31 PM	#10
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I'm sure most Australian gun owners said the same thing, "our government would never"... but they were wrong. We need to learn from their mistake.

06-27-2007, 03:33 PM	#11
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The Specific Violations __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-27-2007, 03:34 PM	#12
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	They closed the store for that!? What a joke! The charge is incumbent upon the FBI to input a safe and secure background check system and they have promised it for YEARS. They don't want one. That is the truth.

06-27-2007, 04:01 PM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And reviewed by the Judge that allowed them to continue operation. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-27-2007, 04:10 PM	#15
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	What Shawnee said, plus it doesn't say these are the only three violations. Is Red's cherrypicking examples? It would be nice if there was any independent information at all. I don't care enough to dig for it myself, but I'm going to take anything Red's or its lawyers say with a grain of salt. They are the very definition of a biased party here.

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