The Real Mitt Romney

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Adak

This is what Barrack has voted in favor of, and of course, it was kept quiet by nearly all the media. His so-called church, by the way, approves of this practice, as a member of the World Council of Churches.

Well that's just dumb. From the World Council of Churches, in a speech delivered to the UN in 2008:

We do not accept the use of abortion as a family planning method.

But here's what I think: you're a troll in reverse. You spew retarded, obviously misinformed statements out there, but in a well-written form and backed by declarations of having moderate beliefs yourself. This encourages others to do the research and post the appropriate rebuttals, thinking you are not lost, you can be converted. And this whole back-and-forth process is out there on the internet for other moderates to read, and consider, and perhaps be swayed by the facts.

I think you do support Obama.

[BigV]

you give far too much credit Clodfobble. I take him at his contradictory,misinformed word. I think he fits perfectly the description of an ideologue as put forth by Bill Clinton. ideology or evidence--one driven by ideology starts with the CONCLUSION and the finds evidence to support that conclusion. when evidence is more important than ideology, it is the evidence that leads to the CONCLUSION

[Adak]

The "World Council Of Churches", says it doesn't support abortions, but it does not forbid it's member churces, from supporting them.

And Obama did vote to support a bill that allowed Partial Birth Abortions. I'm not one to pillory a politician (there's a nice alliteration, eh?), because they voted for a wacko bill once in a while, but voting for Partial Birth Abortion??

The Infant is half-way born, but they suck it's brain out? I'm speechless trying to describe how wrong that is.

Here's a research topic for you: Google the number of abortions in the US. Now compare the number of abortion done on Black mothers, to White and Chicano/Latino/, and other race mothers. Black mothers are having a *large* number of abortions.

And yes, I do support Obama in 2012 - For Dog Catcher! I've had enough of his policies that just don't work worth a damn.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

The Infant is half-way born, but they suck it's brain out? I'm speechless trying to describe how wrong that is.

If "born" just means "removed from the womb", then in all abortions, including IDX, the baby is completely "born" by the end of the procedure.

[Stormieweather]

I don't support any laws that interfere with, control or legislate decisions made between a woman and her doctor about her own body. Period.

Government needs to stay the fuck out of my womb.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

If "born" just means "removed from the womb", then in all abortions, including IDX, the baby is completely "born" by the end of the procedure.

Born means that a live infant is out from the womb. A stillborn infant is "delivered", not born.

Partial Birth Abortion means that before the infant's feet are out of the birth canal, it's head is grabbed, and instead of being embraced by caring hands, a tool is used to remove the baby' s brain. This is not being done on a fetus, this is being done to a baby, that is perfectly viable.

IDX is another name for Partial Birth Abortion.

This is SO CLOSE to being murder of an infant, that in fact, it sometimes becomes murder, but it's not charged as such. Babies sometimes come out faster than expected, so the abortion doctor or nurse, has to then either kill the baby, or in some cases, it's just set aside to die from lack of care, by the staff and mother. (The mother may or may not be aware this is happening, since the staff try to shield her from that emotional pain, and their inability to perform the Partial Birth Abortion, correctly.)

I don't support any laws that interfere with, control or legislate decisions made between a woman and her doctor about her own body. Period.

Government needs to stay the fuck out of my womb.

I agree, but late term abortions without good medical cause, are something I'll never support.

[DanaC]

And how many late term abortions are conducted 'without good medical cause'?

[Clodfobble]

Oh, not many.

In the United States, intact dilation and extraction was made illegal in most circumstances by the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act in 2003, which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart.

[BigV]

that's the real mitt tomney for ya

[infinite monkey]

I don't know if that's a typo or if it means something, but 'mitt tomney' made me giggle.

[Sheldonrs]

Originally Posted by Adak

..Partial birth abortions are the worst of the lot. Here an infant is almost fully born - it's head is out of the birth canal. Then the "doctor" kills the baby by destroying the infant's brain, (usually by sucking out the brain... ...

I agree. The last thing we need is more tea-party members.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

I don't know if that's a typo or if it means something, but 'mitt tomney' made me giggle.

Best to get all your giggling done, before the election, IM.

After that, if Obama wins, we'll all be quite a bit gloomier. That's the only "fair" way to endure Socialism. Everybody gets to cry and moan, because the private sector that drives our economy, will be even more crippled that it is now.

For his next term, from his many speeches and the debate, have you heard anything new from Obama? Anything that you thought was good? Because all I'm hearing from Obama is "stay the course" and "let's finish up what we started", etc.

And since what he started obviously failed, why do you support Obama? Do you really want more of the same policies that have failed so miserably to get our economy going again?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

This is not being done on a fetus, this is being done to a baby, that is perfectly viable.

Two to four months premature is not viable without heroic medical effort.

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

Best to get all your giggling done, before the election, IM.

After that, if Obama wins, we'll all be quite a bit gloomier. That's the only "fair" way to endure Socialism. Everybody gets to cry and moan, because the private sector that drives our economy, will be even more crippled that it is now.

For his next term, from his many speeches and the debate, have you heard anything new from Obama? Anything that you thought was good? Because all I'm hearing from Obama is "stay the course" and "let's finish up what we started", etc.

And since what he started obviously failed, why do you support Obama? Do you really want more of the same policies that have failed so miserably to get our economy going again?

Hey, troll. I was laughing at a typo. I don't want to discuss further, with you, my or your political beliefs. Is that not obvious? There, I've spelled it out for you.

Have your little "I'm so smart" discussions with those who are still banging their heads into the wall that is you.

Not only do I think you're trolling, I think you're so misguided as to be dangerous.

Buh-bye!

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by Adak

Do you really want more of the same policies that have failed so miserably to get our economy going again?

Yeah. So let's go back to the policies that got our economy in this shape to begin with. That's intelligent.