Obama has won the nomination

[Ibby]

Actually, it isn't true though. for example...

Rasmussen. 1/31. Likely voters. MOE 4% (last poll taken by anyone with Edwards in the mix)

Clinton 47
Obama 38
Edwards 11

Actual results:

Obama 49.3
Clinton 47.1
Edwards 1.7

or

two of the last Iowa polls before the caucuses.

Mason-Dixon for McClatchy-MSNBC. 12/26-28, 2007. MoE 5%

"As you may know, if a candidate fails to get at least 15% at a precinct caucus their supporters can switch and choose to caucus with those backing other candidates or declare themselves uncommitted. If the candidate you are supporting fails to reach the 15% threshold at your precinct ... Which candidate would become your second choice?""

Edwards 32
Obama 20
Clinton 16

Opinion Research Corp for CNN. 12/26-30, 2007. MoE 5%

"If the presidential caucus in Iowa were held today, please tell me which of the following people ... would be your second choice?"

Edwards 36
Obama 25
Clinton 11

(www.dailykos.com)

[classicman]

I wouldn't believe dailykos if they told me today was Tuesday - sorry.

But again - the Clinton aide was the one whining - not me. I'm glad she lost.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

I wouldn't believe dailykos if they told me today was Tuesday - sorry.

But again - the Clinton aide was the one whining - not me. I'm glad she lost.

Second.

[deadbeater]

Yeah, if Mark Penn had his way, the Clintons would all but make Blacks start a new third party and run them out of Harlem. Good thing the Clintons adjusted in midstream, and make it on this side of a halfway decent primary fight. What a schmuck Penn was. If the Republicans had operatives in the Democatic party, they would do no better than Penn.

[Griff]

[cynic] Apparently Obama and McCain got together at one of those mega-churches where people go to be anonymous before God. That probably isn't fair but for someone raised in rural community churches it just looks like spiritual fast food. People in large single minded groups where the individual submits to group will make me nervous whether they're Cub Scouts, metal heads, Christians or [godwin]Nazis[/godwin]. The ever creepy neo-com William Kristol did manage to tease out a difference between McCain and Obama on the question of confronting evil. From my reading of it McCain will follow the Bush plan of feeding evil by commiting disproportionate evil and Obama won't really say. For a while I was feeling good that Bush would leave and things would improve, but these guys weaken the positive vibrations.[/cynic]

[Pico and ME]

The only 'Evil' the US confronts are the 'evil-doers' who are in the way of what the US wants. The government paints it with the 'We are the Do-Gooders' brush stroke to make its actions more palatable to its voting public. I wish I could hear one of them, one day, say that our oil chasing days are over and we all better start tightening our seat belts because energy independence is going to start out as a really rough ride.

[TheMercenary]

Well sorry but we are not "chasing oil". I have no idea where you go that idea from but if you could provide us with some non-partisan original source links to that notion I would love to read them. We all certainly know that neither China nor India are chasing any oil reserves in any nefarious capacity.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well sorry but we are not "chasing oil".

Can you prove that? How about if you could provide us with some non-partisan original source links to that notion, I would love to read them. :p

[Ibby]

What about the part where, McCain says that making 4500000 dollars a year, yes, 4.5 million a year, is middle class?

Talking about what it means to be rich, what is middle class and what is upper class:

McCain took a far more discursive approach to answering the question but ultimately settled on a dramatically higher figure: "I think if you're just talking about income, how about $5 million?"

[xoxoxoBruce]

When I heard an Obama ad, touting his plans to benefit the "middle class", I was wondering how he defined "middle class"?
Most people say, I ain't poor and I ain't rich, so I must be middle class. It's a wonderful term that don't mean shit.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

When I heard an Obama ad, touting his plans to benefit the "middle class", I was wondering how he defined "middle class"?
Most people say, I ain't poor and I ain't rich, so I must be middle class. It's a wonderful term that don't mean shit.

I am still waiting for someone to define rich.

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I am still waiting for someone to define rich.

Too much chocolate.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I am still waiting for someone to define rich.

Mrs Levy, seems to have done that.

[Ibby]

"You're a financial planner and you want to invest my retirement savings in scratch tickets?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You're a plumber and you're going to fix my clog with a stick of dynamite?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You're a firefighter and you're going to put out the flames with gasoline?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You're a jeweler and you're going to fix my Rolex with a hammer?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You’re a nuclear physicist and you're giving out 'free samples' of enriched uranium to children?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You're a surgeon and you're using a rusty hacksaw?"
"Trust me. I was a POW."

"You’re the Republican candidate for president and you want to fix the country's problems even though you don’t know much about the economy, you don’t know how to use the internet, you don’t know how many houses you own or what kind of car you drive, you admit you don’t think clearly when you’re tired, you make frequent gaffes on foreign policy, you think offshore drilling is a short-term solution to high gas prices, you support torture and keeping the Guantanamo prison open, you make rash decisions and statements from which you have to quickly backtrack, you have an explosive temper on a hair trigger, your idea of health care reform is 'wear more sunscreen,' you're for stem cell research except when it's done on stem cells because you consider them all American citizens, and you voted to support the policies of the worst president ever 100 percent of the time this year?"
"Trust me, my friends. I was a POW."