Strong Words, Clearly Spoken

wolf · 03-17-2003, 08:03 PM

Offical Transcript of Bush's Speech

About the only thing that took me aback was the 48 hour deadline.

I thought the press conference at the UN was kind of interesting ... mostly because of Kofi Annan very carefully NOT saying anything against the US, giving the impression that we had a nod and a wink agreement to "go take care of him and we'll be in after," particularly given the offers of humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people.

elSicomoro · 03-17-2003, 08:07 PM

You didn't know about that? They were talking about it (48 hour deadline) at 5:30 tonight.

He spoke well, though his words did not stir up anything in me but sadness.

loTEK911 · 03-17-2003, 08:10 PM

I kinda caught the speech here at work am and alittle behind the news. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's 48 hours till we begine our airstrikes against Bagdad. Which is their capital... Which is full of civilians... And Bush was talking about a free and peacefull Iraq peaple? I don get it.

wolf · 03-17-2003, 08:15 PM

It's 48 hours for Saddam and his offspring to get the heck outta Dodge. The airstrikes begin some unspecified amount of time after that ... (probably no more than, say, 10-15 minutes).

And no, Syc, I hadn't really paid attention to the earlier reports, assuming they would primarily be wild speculation.

(I did like the story about Tariq Aziz being too scared to deliver the ultimatim to Hussein because of a perceived tendency of his to blame the messenger.)

Beestie · 03-17-2003, 10:54 PM

What if we capture Saddam and Uday? What in hell are we supposed to do with them?

What if he leaves and we know which plane it is and its in Iraqi air space? Do we shoot it or just follow it?

What if we don't find any WMD? We are going to look mighty foolish since that was the entire pretext. I'm sure they are/were there but they could be destroying them secretly just to make us look bad.

Who gets the presidential assets?

How much oil do we keep?

Will we take Blabs Striesand, Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Jeanine Garafalo and the Ditsy Chicks into Saddam's chamber of torture and try out some of his stuff on them? If not, why not?

I'm on board but I have questions.

slang · 03-17-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by loTEK911
Which is their capital... Which is full of civilians...

This will not be Hiroshima Lotec. It is our moral and political objective to keep the civie losses to a minimum.

The US spooks and Special Forces have been in Baghdad for weeks. Bush *knows* who he is after and it is not the civies. Also note that we will be using new electronic warheads in the Tomahawk cruise missiles that knock out electronics through the use of EMP. People will not be directly affected by the warheads.

This is not to say there will not be losses, but I'm betting they will be low.

Despite what I have read here in the past months the US is the greatest and the most compassionate country in the history of the world, even when we have to come knock down your doors and kill you.

juju · 03-17-2003, 11:17 PM

Ah yes.. the new, politically correct, compassionate war. <g> Man, thank God for evolution! We sure have learned our lessons.

slang · 03-17-2003, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by Beestie

Will we take Blabs Striesand, Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Jeanine Garafalo and the Ditsy Chicks into Saddam's chamber of torture and try out some of his stuff on them? If not, why not?

The torture for these people will be the people will know how foolish they have acted. Millions will always love them for their commitment in the war against Bush, er...., I mean, the war. Others will remember how silly they have acted and they will become a cautionary tale for frivilous political non sensical protests of the future.

(This is not intended to step on Griff's toes, he and many here have made *much* better arguments against the war than the "protestors" have without resorting to ridiculous conspiracy theories about Bush's intentions, even though I don't support them either)

wolf · 03-17-2003, 11:24 PM

Oh dear ...

Probably I would be dealing with all of this a lot better if I'd been at work and too busy to really dwell on anything ...

But here I am, at home ... trapped by circumstance ... wondering ... should I have bought that duct tape and plastic sheeting instead of scoffing? Should I have violated my physician's orders and driven up to the corner for gasoline before the price goes over $2/gallon?

Nah .. I'm not changing any of my behavior over this stuff ... I've always slept with a loaded gun. Why should that change now?

Humor aside ... what I have noticed ... there's a LOT of unaccustomed air traffic overhead tonight ... I live next to an airport, but it's a civilian airport ... the only thing of any real size that flys over at this time of night is the medevac chopper. I think that went at at around 2130 hrs, has been quiet since.

I'm hearing big multi-engine jets, sometimes turbo-props ... mostly from the direction of the Naval Air Station. Last time I heard anything like this was just before the start of the gulf war.

Has anyone noticed ... have any of the TV stations started a visible countdown timer? Foxnews keeps reminding us verbally. "Saddam Hussein has x hours left to make a decision on the ultimatim ..." This needs a doomsday clock though, dontcha think?

slang · 03-17-2003, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by wolf
(I did like the story about Tariq Aziz being too scared to deliver the ultimatim to Hussein because of a perceived tendency of his to blame the messenger.)

The claim that Bush is "more evil" than Saddam is ridiculous. This is just another example of how crazy this thinking is. Not only can people from all over the US protest him without fear of torture or death, he hasn't killed any of his office staff, unlike WJC who *allegedly* killed one and had a couple unjustly thrown in jail.

slang · 03-17-2003, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by wolf
Nah .. I'm not changing any of my behavior over this stuff ... I've always slept with a loaded gun. Why should that change now?

One loaded handgun and a loaded M14 is better these days Wolf.

wolf · 03-17-2003, 11:30 PM

I'll see you and raise you a shotgun

juju · 03-17-2003, 11:35 PM

What about the 152 people that were executed while he was governor of Texas? And hey, you can bet your ass those Al-Qaeda prisoners over in Cuba are being tortured! Hell, man, he's c-r-a-z-y!

wolf · 03-17-2003, 11:38 PM

We're torturing them in horrible ways like forcing them to eat regularly and sleep on cots.

Executed 152 convicted criminals who were subjected to a rigorous appeals process. Awwww ... poor criminals.

(oh, wait, you were being sarcastic again, weren't you ... never mind

)

Whit · 03-18-2003, 02:31 AM

     On the subject of changing habits... I wouldn't consider suggesting that anyone not have a gun handy these days. In fact I'm looking into getting one myself. That's right I don't own one now, go ahead and scoff. Things are getting spooky and I'm not just talking about the impending war.
     Two questions: One, does anyone believe that there is a snowballs chance in hell of Hussein actually stepping down? (if you do please explain) Two, Who thinks that this war will be used in administration plans to take away our rights... er... I mean continue the fight against terrorism?

03-17-2003, 08:03 PM	#1
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Strong Words, Clearly Spoken Offical Transcript of Bush's Speech About the only thing that took me aback was the 48 hour deadline. I thought the press conference at the UN was kind of interesting ... mostly because of Kofi Annan very carefully NOT saying anything against the US, giving the impression that we had a nod and a wink agreement to "go take care of him and we'll be in after," particularly given the offers of humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-17-2003, 08:15 PM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	It's 48 hours for Saddam and his offspring to get the heck outta Dodge. The airstrikes begin some unspecified amount of time after that ... (probably no more than, say, 10-15 minutes). And no, Syc, I hadn't really paid attention to the earlier reports, assuming they would primarily be wild speculation. (I did like the story about Tariq Aziz being too scared to deliver the ultimatim to Hussein because of a perceived tendency of his to blame the messenger.) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-17-2003, 10:54 PM	#5
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	What ifs... What if we capture Saddam and Uday? What in hell are we supposed to do with them? What if he leaves and we know which plane it is and its in Iraqi air space? Do we shoot it or just follow it? What if we don't find any WMD? We are going to look mighty foolish since that was the entire pretext. I'm sure they are/were there but they could be destroying them secretly just to make us look bad. Who gets the presidential assets? How much oil do we keep? Will we take Blabs Striesand, Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Jeanine Garafalo and the Ditsy Chicks into Saddam's chamber of torture and try out some of his stuff on them? If not, why not? I'm on board but I have questions. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

03-17-2003, 11:24 PM	#9
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Oh dear ... Probably I would be dealing with all of this a lot better if I'd been at work and too busy to really dwell on anything ... But here I am, at home ... trapped by circumstance ... wondering ... should I have bought that duct tape and plastic sheeting instead of scoffing? Should I have violated my physician's orders and driven up to the corner for gasoline before the price goes over $2/gallon? Nah .. I'm not changing any of my behavior over this stuff ... I've always slept with a loaded gun. Why should that change now? Humor aside ... what I have noticed ... there's a LOT of unaccustomed air traffic overhead tonight ... I live next to an airport, but it's a civilian airport ... the only thing of any real size that flys over at this time of night is the medevac chopper. I think that went at at around 2130 hrs, has been quiet since. I'm hearing big multi-engine jets, sometimes turbo-props ... mostly from the direction of the Naval Air Station. Last time I heard anything like this was just before the start of the gulf war. Has anyone noticed ... have any of the TV stations started a visible countdown timer? Foxnews keeps reminding us verbally. "Saddam Hussein has x hours left to make a decision on the ultimatim ..." This needs a doomsday clock though, dontcha think? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis Last edited by wolf; 03-17-2003 at 11:29 PM.

03-17-2003, 11:30 PM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I'll see you and raise you a shotgun __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-17-2003, 08:07 PM	#2
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	You didn't know about that? They were talking about it (48 hour deadline) at 5:30 tonight. He spoke well, though his words did not stir up anything in me but sadness.

03-17-2003, 08:10 PM	#3
loTEK911 Abhorrent Aberrant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27	I kinda caught the speech here at work am and alittle behind the news. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's 48 hours till we begine our airstrikes against Bagdad. Which is their capital... Which is full of civilians... And Bush was talking about a free and peacefull Iraq peaple? I don get it.

03-17-2003, 11:17 PM	#7
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Ah yes.. the new, politically correct, compassionate war. <g> Man, thank God for evolution! We sure have learned our lessons.

03-17-2003, 11:35 PM	#13
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	What about the 152 people that were executed while he was governor of Texas? And hey, you can bet your ass those Al-Qaeda prisoners over in Cuba are being tortured! Hell, man, he's c-r-a-z-y!

03-17-2003, 11:38 PM	#14
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	We're torturing them in horrible ways like forcing them to eat regularly and sleep on cots. Executed 152 convicted criminals who were subjected to a rigorous appeals process. Awwww ... poor criminals. (oh, wait, you were being sarcastic again, weren't you ... never mind ) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-18-2003, 02:31 AM	#15
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	On the subject of changing habits... I wouldn't consider suggesting that anyone not have a gun handy these days. In fact I'm looking into getting one myself. That's right I don't own one now, go ahead and scoff. Things are getting spooky and I'm not just talking about the impending war.      Two questions: One, does anyone believe that there is a snowballs chance in hell of Hussein actually stepping down? (if you do please explain) Two, Who thinks that this war will be used in administration plans to take away our rights... er... I mean continue the fight against terrorism? __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

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