Undertoad Thursday Mar 30 10:58 AM
3/30/2006: Wildfires melt metal sign, kill livestock
charmzny Thursday Mar 30 11:32 AM
I've been lurking for awhile now, but these pictures were very sad. The others from the Farm Bureau make it even more real. How sad that these poor animals couldn't get out of the way.
barefoot serpent Thursday Mar 30 11:38 AM
I've heard that one of the agents in the rapid spread of such range fires are burning rabbits -- other than the wind, of course.
ashke Thursday Mar 30 11:42 AM
That's terrible. But what do they do with the carcasses after?
barefoot serpent Thursday Mar 30 11:46 AM
ashke Thursday Mar 30 11:52 AM
Oh. I took a look at the gallery. >_< They're just shovelling the cattle in!
Elspode Thursday Mar 30 12:44 PM
It is my understanding that there were people similarly trapped and burned alive as well. Several people.
Leus Thursday Mar 30 02:41 PM
YellowBolt Thursday Mar 30 03:16 PM
One of the pictures suggests, at least, that some of the animals were attempting to escape but were bound by the fences. So sad.
Kitsune Thursday Mar 30 04:12 PM
I had no idea grass fires got hot enough to melt a sign like that, or was this also a very impressively windy day (hence, the fabric-like appearance of it) as well?
Leah Thursday Mar 30 04:32 PM
That's really really sad seeing all those poor cattle trapped and not able to get away from the fire. What a horrible death they must have suffered.
wolf Thursday Mar 30 04:56 PM
xoxoxoBruce Thursday Mar 30 06:33 PM
I'm amazed, looking at the areas that didn't burn, that barren country provides enough fuel to feed a fire like this.
That "metal" sign is probably aluminum which I believe melts at around 11 or 12 hundred degrees F.
observer Thursday Mar 30 07:25 PM
Although the picture is listed as a metal sign, I suspect it was really plastic on a metal post. Otherwise all the other metal in the picture might have melted too.
xoxoxoBruce Thursday Mar 30 09:59 PM
All the other metal is steel (iron) which would require 2500 to 3000 degrees F.
zippyt Friday Mar 31 12:10 AM
I think it may be plastic as well .
chrisinhouston Friday Mar 31 08:12 AM
If those images bring you down, click on the Scenery link- http://www.txfb.org/scenery.asp , It has some real nice Chamber of Commerce type pics. I like the piggies and the baby goats!
VinDurzle Friday Mar 31 08:50 AM
Im with you there mr B... plastic would simply cease to exist under the kind of temps produced by such a fire. Also, plastic would not support its own weight when extruded in the manner of the material in the photograph...Its been a little while since I joined (apologies Brianna for the strop over the Afghanis) but just to say (to Undertoad?) good work! Always enjoy IOTD
glatt Friday Mar 31 09:28 AM
I hadn't thought about it, but looking back at the image again, I think the sign is clearly plastic. The sign post has two cross members to support the sign. This would be consistent with posting a plastic sign, which would need more support to keep from flexing in the wind. Think of every aluminum stop sign you've ever seen. There are always two holes on a ceter post holding the thing up. Cross braces are rarely used for a metal sign this size.
VinDurzle Friday Mar 31 09:56 AM
Hmmm you could be onto summt Glatt...I would argue your points...many small ali signs have cross members to aid installation whereas many plastic signs are a cheap alternative, often fixed through the face and not supported with ali thus increasing the costs to a level that you might as well have ali in the first place...Glass will become extremely fragile under extreme heat but not break unless a force is applied. A bottle can sit in a fire an not break. It will melt if the fir is hot enough. It wont break unless corked/capped and expanding air breaks it or it is hit in some manner...and finally...the heat of a fire can be localised, scorching some plantlife, wiping out others but hey! Im no expert. The real clue here for anyone who cares would be the text still on the sign...that cetainly couldnt withstand the heat needed to melt ali, whether it was lead paint, vinyl graphics or anything else...so...plastic it is.
Trilby Friday Mar 31 10:52 AM
Sometimes the friday IotD is disturbing. This is one of those times. I love animals. I hate to see this sort of thing.
Dagney Friday Mar 31 11:14 AM
Psst..Bri? This was Thursday's IoTD...disturbing none the less, but the Friday Critter Pictures are generally...happier.
jinx Friday Mar 31 11:27 AM
CharlieG Friday Mar 31 11:48 AM
I suspect plastic too. Aluminium, when it melts, tends to oxidize really quickly unless you either put it in an innert atmosphere, or you have enough bulk that the dross on the top keeps the 02 from the bulk of the Al. In other words, it would turn to a white brittle powder pretty quickly
zippyt Friday Mar 31 06:20 PM
Jinx - I have melted a few bottles as well , you have to make the fire right , in a good glass melting fire an AL can will simply go AWAY QUICKLY , but a bottle MUSt be heated evenly or it will crack ,
barefoot serpent Friday Mar 31 06:52 PM
OK, yer all wrong... the sign *was* fiberglass
zippyt Friday Mar 31 11:13 PM
the sign *was* fiberglass
xoxoxoBruce Saturday Apr 1 12:38 AM
DAMIFINO. When I first looked at the picture, I thought it was plastic, but the website said metal. They were there, so I accepted it was metal and deduced it would have to aluminum if it were indeed metal.
Wombat Sunday Apr 2 09:35 PM
davistud Tuesday Apr 4 11:51 AM
I vote for Plastic or Fiberglass as there appears to be light coming THROUGH the material at the upper right bolt and also along the long strand. Can't be reflected light as the angle of the adjacent pieces is wrong for the angle of the sun. Light would not go through metal this thick. Goes through very thin gold sheets I hear though.
xoxoxoBruce Tuesday Apr 4 08:30 PM
Welcome to the Cellar, davistud.
davistud Tuesday Apr 4 10:04 PM
Yeah that sign just looks TOO familiar. It is either a buried gas pipeline sign, you know, don't dig here or something. OR it is a no trespassing sign offering a 5000$ reward for stolen cattle from the Farm Bureau. I have seen it a thousand times and it is one of those I bet.
xoxoxoBruce Tuesday Apr 4 11:54 PM
The rectangular area outlined by 1-2-3-4 ? Looks to me like it's a retainer under the bolt head. Not translucent but that color, probably metal, and flat against the mounting steel. If that's the case, then the sign must be plastic as they wouldn't need a retainer that size to hold a metal sign.
xoxoxoBruce Tuesday Apr 4 11:59 PM
The rectangular area outlined by 1-2-3-4 ?
mitheral Monday Apr 10 02:07 AM
Looks like plastic to me. Aluminum doesn't have a plastic state between liquid and solid. It would no more flow like that than an ice cube would.
Sun_Sparkz Tuesday Apr 11 05:15 AM
glatt Tuesday Apr 11 08:50 AM
I do. A little.
VinDurzle Tuesday Apr 11 10:18 AM
I dont believe it...still goin? take a breather folks! Lifes a bit too short
xoxoxoBruce Tuesday Apr 11 08:27 PM