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   Undertoad  Thursday Mar 30 10:58 AM

3/30/2006: Wildfires melt metal sign, kill livestock



xoB sends along this one, from a gallery of wildfire images from the Texas Farm Bureau, but it's the ones he didn't send along that really blew my mind.



The worst devastation of this particular wildfire: apparently it spread so fast that the livestock didn't have time to react, or they found themselves fenced in and unable to escape. The gallery contains several shots that are much more horrible than the one I've chosen above. (And xoB avoided - showing our different sensibilities perhaps?)



charmzny  Thursday Mar 30 11:32 AM

I've been lurking for awhile now, but these pictures were very sad. The others from the Farm Bureau make it even more real. How sad that these poor animals couldn't get out of the way.



barefoot serpent  Thursday Mar 30 11:38 AM

I've heard that one of the agents in the rapid spread of such range fires are burning rabbits -- other than the wind, of course.



ashke  Thursday Mar 30 11:42 AM

That's terrible. But what do they do with the carcasses after?



barefoot serpent  Thursday Mar 30 11:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashke
That's terrible. But what do they do with the carcasses after?
there are other pics on that link showing them being buried in large pits.


ashke  Thursday Mar 30 11:52 AM

Oh. I took a look at the gallery. >_< They're just shovelling the cattle in!



Elspode  Thursday Mar 30 12:44 PM

It is my understanding that there were people similarly trapped and burned alive as well. Several people.



Leus  Thursday Mar 30 02:41 PM

Too done!



YellowBolt  Thursday Mar 30 03:16 PM

One of the pictures suggests, at least, that some of the animals were attempting to escape but were bound by the fences. So sad.



Kitsune  Thursday Mar 30 04:12 PM

I had no idea grass fires got hot enough to melt a sign like that, or was this also a very impressively windy day (hence, the fabric-like appearance of it) as well?



Leah  Thursday Mar 30 04:32 PM

That's really really sad seeing all those poor cattle trapped and not able to get away from the fire. What a horrible death they must have suffered.



wolf  Thursday Mar 30 04:56 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by barefoot serpent
I've heard that one of the agents in the rapid spread of such range fires are burning rabbits -- other than the wind, of course.
There was a pretty grimmy episode of CSI that used that concept ... except that the vector was not a rabbit.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Mar 30 06:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitsune
I had no idea grass fires got hot enough to melt a sign like that, or was this also a very impressively windy day (hence, the fabric-like appearance of it) as well?
I think the fire causes the wind, in some cases. Air rushing in to replace what's sent skyward by the heat of the blaze.

I'm amazed, looking at the areas that didn't burn, that barren country provides enough fuel to feed a fire like this.
That "metal" sign is probably aluminum which I believe melts at around 11 or 12 hundred degrees F.


observer  Thursday Mar 30 07:25 PM

Although the picture is listed as a metal sign, I suspect it was really plastic on a metal post. Otherwise all the other metal in the picture might have melted too.



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Mar 30 09:59 PM

All the other metal is steel (iron) which would require 2500 to 3000 degrees F.
I should think plastic would have burned, but you could be right.



zippyt  Friday Mar 31 12:10 AM

I think it may be plastic as well .

Sad thing about the critters



chrisinhouston  Friday Mar 31 08:12 AM

If those images bring you down, click on the Scenery link- http://www.txfb.org/scenery.asp , It has some real nice Chamber of Commerce type pics. I like the piggies and the baby goats!

I lived through some wildfires in southern California and remember watching a wall of fire sweeping up one end of a canyon only to reach the end and come down the other side. Breathtaking!



VinDurzle  Friday Mar 31 08:50 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
All the other metal is steel (iron) which would require 2500 to 3000 degrees F.
I should think plastic would have burned, but you could be right.

Im with you there mr B... plastic would simply cease to exist under the kind of temps produced by such a fire. Also, plastic would not support its own weight when extruded in the manner of the material in the photograph...Its been a little while since I joined (apologies Brianna for the strop over the Afghanis) but just to say (to Undertoad?) good work! Always enjoy IOTD


glatt  Friday Mar 31 09:28 AM

I hadn't thought about it, but looking back at the image again, I think the sign is clearly plastic. The sign post has two cross members to support the sign. This would be consistent with posting a plastic sign, which would need more support to keep from flexing in the wind. Think of every aluminum stop sign you've ever seen. There are always two holes on a ceter post holding the thing up. Cross braces are rarely used for a metal sign this size.

Now look down at the ground behind the fence. There is an unbroken glass bottle. Everyone knows that glass breaks in a hot fire. It didn't break.

Now look over to the bushes here and there. They are charred, yes, but not incinerated. If the fire was hot enough to melt aluminum, those bushes would not be there any longer.

I think this fire was hot, but not super hot. It was hot enough to melt the plastic sign, but not hot enough to ignite it. I've seen pictures on the net of a Saturn that was parked close to a building that burned down. The body panels are all melted and droppy, just like this sign. Of course I couldn't find a picture now to show you, but I did find this melted vinyl siding picture.



VinDurzle  Friday Mar 31 09:56 AM

Hmmm you could be onto summt Glatt...I would argue your points...many small ali signs have cross members to aid installation whereas many plastic signs are a cheap alternative, often fixed through the face and not supported with ali thus increasing the costs to a level that you might as well have ali in the first place...Glass will become extremely fragile under extreme heat but not break unless a force is applied. A bottle can sit in a fire an not break. It will melt if the fir is hot enough. It wont break unless corked/capped and expanding air breaks it or it is hit in some manner...and finally...the heat of a fire can be localised, scorching some plantlife, wiping out others but hey! Im no expert. The real clue here for anyone who cares would be the text still on the sign...that cetainly couldnt withstand the heat needed to melt ali, whether it was lead paint, vinyl graphics or anything else...so...plastic it is.



Trilby  Friday Mar 31 10:52 AM

Sometimes the friday IotD is disturbing. This is one of those times. I love animals. I hate to see this sort of thing.



Dagney  Friday Mar 31 11:14 AM

Psst..Bri? This was Thursday's IoTD...disturbing none the less, but the Friday Critter Pictures are generally...happier.



jinx  Friday Mar 31 11:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by VinDurzle
A bottle can sit in a fire an not break. It will melt if the fir is hot enough. It wont break unless corked/capped and expanding air breaks it or it is hit in some manner
My experience with camping and drinking is that a bottle, when placed in the hot coals of a fire, will very slowly melt over the course of the evening. It breaks only when its drunken owner tries to clumsily retrieve it - or when it is actually removed from the coals and immediately placed on a cold rock. Therefore, the sign is obviously aluminum.


CharlieG  Friday Mar 31 11:48 AM

I suspect plastic too. Aluminium, when it melts, tends to oxidize really quickly unless you either put it in an innert atmosphere, or you have enough bulk that the dross on the top keeps the 02 from the bulk of the Al. In other words, it would turn to a white brittle powder pretty quickly

Heck - not hard to demonstrate what happens - drink a can of your favorite beverage that comes in an Al can - go to your BBQ, and build a fire around the empty can - look at what happens



zippyt  Friday Mar 31 06:20 PM

Jinx - I have melted a few bottles as well , you have to make the fire right , in a good glass melting fire an AL can will simply go AWAY QUICKLY , but a bottle MUSt be heated evenly or it will crack ,
Once camping a friend and I cracked open a 1/5 of GoldSchloger and lit the fire at the same time , when the bottle was empty the fire was RIGHT ( so were we ) , we melted that THICK bottle into a pool of moltent glass , but when my friend fell in the river , ,,
well the wifes put us both to bed , the next morning there was this blob of glass with a few gold felcks in it ,



barefoot serpent  Friday Mar 31 06:52 PM

OK, yer all wrong... the sign *was* fiberglass

so EMOFWB!



zippyt  Friday Mar 31 11:13 PM

the sign *was* fiberglass


No WAY !!! Fglas would have burned and fallen apart , not melted and streched in the wind .
Please site your sources . ( yeppers , I'm call'n you out!!! )



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Apr 1 12:38 AM

DAMIFINO. When I first looked at the picture, I thought it was plastic, but the website said metal. They were there, so I accepted it was metal and deduced it would have to aluminum if it were indeed metal.

The fire could have been considerably hotter along the fence line because of increased vegetation that naturally grows there.

Thin aluminum like a can will indeed turn white but I've melted thicker pieces with a torch and it just sat there and did nothing until it suddenly became liquid, no warning, with a paper thin "skin" over it. The "skin" was not thick enough to keep it from flowing.

Also an aluminum can is a different alloy than a sign would be made from and aluminum age hardens just hanging around.

I agree the lettering surviving is odd but that could be due to the rapid heating or the coloring being absorbed by the "skin".

Besides, as we all know, Texans never lie.



Wombat  Sunday Apr 2 09:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitsune
I had no idea grass fires got hot enough to melt a sign like that, or was this also a very impressively windy day (hence, the fabric-like appearance of it) as well?
The Canberra fire on 18 January 2003 did more than that: in Kambah, where it was "only" a grass fire, it melted steel Colorbond fence panels. Houses were reduced to a thin layer of ash on a concrete slab: even the ovens, bathtubs, fridges etc had melted and flowed away.


davistud  Tuesday Apr 4 11:51 AM

I vote for Plastic or Fiberglass as there appears to be light coming THROUGH the material at the upper right bolt and also along the long strand. Can't be reflected light as the angle of the adjacent pieces is wrong for the angle of the sun. Light would not go through metal this thick. Goes through very thin gold sheets I hear though.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Apr 4 08:30 PM

Welcome to the Cellar, davistud.

Can't be fiberglass because it would char to powder. Only thermo-setting materials can do the taffy imitation. Plastic is still in the running though.

I think what you're seeing as light coming through, is actually direct light on parts of a three dimentional "sculpture" of sorts.

Hell, you're in Texas, Run out and check for us.......please.



davistud  Tuesday Apr 4 10:04 PM

Yeah that sign just looks TOO familiar. It is either a buried gas pipeline sign, you know, don't dig here or something. OR it is a no trespassing sign offering a 5000$ reward for stolen cattle from the Farm Bureau. I have seen it a thousand times and it is one of those I bet.
OK the light I am seeing is on the pieceof plastic BETWEEN the reflection you see and the bolt. There is a curve in the plastic there. The reflection is on one side of the curve and the light passing through the material is on the side closest to the bolt. Hot reflection, then a more subtle translucent pass through of light. Gotta look close.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Apr 4 11:54 PM

The rectangular area outlined by 1-2-3-4 ? Looks to me like it's a retainer under the bolt head. Not translucent but that color, probably metal, and flat against the mounting steel. If that's the case, then the sign must be plastic as they wouldn't need a retainer that size to hold a metal sign.

That means the Farm Bureau, or their agent, lied....and probably killed Kenny, too.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Apr 4 11:59 PM

The rectangular area outlined by 1-2-3-4 ?
Looks to me like it's a rectangular washer under the bolt head. Not translucent but that color, probably metal, and flat against the mounting steel.
If that's the case, then the sign must be plastic as they wouldn't need a retainer that size to hold a metal sign.

That means the Farm Bureau, or their agent, lied....and probably killed Kenny, too.



mitheral  Monday Apr 10 02:07 AM

Looks like plastic to me. Aluminum doesn't have a plastic state between liquid and solid. It would no more flow like that than an ice cube would.

Lots of thermo plastics will act like taffy at 150-200 degrees but won't burn until double or triple that. It is what makes vacuum forming possible.



Sun_Sparkz  Tuesday Apr 11 05:15 AM

who cares?!!!



glatt  Tuesday Apr 11 08:50 AM

I do. A little.



VinDurzle  Tuesday Apr 11 10:18 AM

I dont believe it...still goin? take a breather folks! Lifes a bit too short



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Apr 11 08:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mitheral
Looks like plastic to me. Aluminum doesn't have a plastic state between liquid and solid. It would no more flow like that than an ice cube would.
I've seen burned aircraft pictures where the aluminun did distort and stretch like this. That said, I believe it's plastic.


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