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   Undertoad  Tuesday May 23 11:18 AM

5/23/2006: Barbaro's leg repair



They don't necessarily shoot horses any longer. Barbaro won the Derby by as much of a lead as anyone could remember. He might have won the Triple Crown. But he totally shattered his leg in the Preakness on Saturday, and wound up in six hours of surgery at U Penn's veterinary hospital.

Barbaro got better treatment out of Penn than I did, but maybe his problem was worse - initially he was given a 50-50 chance of making it through. This morning they say he's doing much better and so they are much more optimistic. He's actually putting the weight of a horse on that leg - on that massive stitching of pins.



The "before".



After surgery he spent some time in a pool before going back to a stall.

A lot of people who seem to know, say that Barbaro's owners would have done the extensive surgery for any of their horses. But the payout on these odds is much higher - if he makes it to Stallionhood, Barbaro will fetch some high fees as a stud.



queenb  Tuesday May 23 12:05 PM

I've lurked until now, but this whole incident has me fired up.
Take a good look at a horse race winner. For every one you see wearing roses, there's dozens more lame or dead from being pushed too hard too early. The growth plates in horses legs don't close until around 2+ years of age. Everybody's looking at the replays and don't see why the leg shattered. Duh....could it be too much stress on a growing bone?
And, not to be too much of a cynic, but while they're "healing" this stud's leg, I'm sure they'll be collecting semen as often as possible to sell. At a hundred grand or more a pop (pun intended?), I'm sure they'll be able to pay the vet bill.



Emrikol  Tuesday May 23 12:36 PM

I wish someone could collect and sell my se...

oh, sorry.



Promenea  Tuesday May 23 12:40 PM

They may sell his sperm but if they do they can't register the foal for racing. TBs have to have clear bloodlines for registration for racing so the stallion has to actually mate the mare.



ndetroit  Tuesday May 23 01:24 PM

Is that a hockey helmet on the head of one of the vets?

I guess it's insurance against being kicked by an improperly anaesthetized horse?

rough job...



Cochese  Tuesday May 23 02:43 PM

Maybe he needs the helmet because he's about to collect some sperm and the horse will get rowdy.



bigw00dy  Tuesday May 23 03:22 PM

..i bet Barbaro can make a mean 'Map of Hawaii' on that vet



Trilby  Tuesday May 23 04:42 PM

They say he's flirting with the mares. That's a good sign



mitheral  Tuesday May 23 04:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad
He's worth more, Horses at this level are cared for better than all but the most wealthy of humans.


LabRat  Tuesday May 23 04:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mitheral
He's worth more...


uh uh, not more than OUR Toadie!!!


axlrosen  Tuesday May 23 05:24 PM

This looks like what would happen if I tried to build a deck.



Kagen4o4  Tuesday May 23 05:31 PM

i think its time we put UT out to stud.

Bri? you up for it?



Undertoad  Tuesday May 23 06:27 PM

Hey hey, I'm brokered out to another filly



Kagen4o4  Tuesday May 23 07:26 PM

"hit me ya five card stud"



Ubergeek  Tuesday May 23 08:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna
They say he's flirting with the mares. That's a good sign
Oh come on! About 20 years ago I got T-Boned on my motorcycle by a fully loaded Mack truck. Broke all my ribs, both knees, one shoulder and 2 vertabra... walk with a noticable limp... but hell, at least I walk.

And MOST of the brain still works. LOL

Spent better than 1/2 a year in the hospital.

And even in a full body cast and traction, I *STILL* flirted with the nurses

He might be a horse, but he's still a guy... if a guy were being strapped into an electric chair, and one of the guards was a woman, he'd flirt with her.

Acroyear


xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday May 23 09:02 PM

In human terms, he's already rich & famous and if what he's got to look forward to doesn't give him the "will to live",........well...ALPO.

Welcome to the Cellar, queenb. You make a good point, of course, but considering what we do to future ballet dancers and gymnasts, it all seems natural.



footfootfoot  Tuesday May 23 09:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigw00dy
..i bet Barbaro can make a mean 'Map of Hawaii' on that vet
Is that the pearl necklace of the new millenium? Somehow I can't hear zz top in my minds ear singing that one...


UltraViolence  Saturday May 27 10:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by queenb
And, not to be too much of a cynic, but while they're "healing" this stud's leg, I'm sure they'll be collecting semen as often as possible to sell. At a hundred grand or more a pop (pun intended?), I'm sure they'll be able to pay the vet bill.
In the world of horse racing, artificial insemination is illegal. The only way Barbaro can produce any money-making offspring, is the old fashioned way.

So there is no selling of his sperm.

And before you go feeling bad for these horses, you must understand that their genetics aren't like normal horse genetics. They come from long lines of bred racing horses. Their bodies are more than able to handle the stress put upon them. Plus the pampering and care they receive. They are superstars as far as they are concerned. And when they retire, they will live a long and happy life of eating and fornication. $25 million is invested in this horse. They owners risk nothing when it comes to this horses well being.

(I registered just to tell you, you were wrong.. btw. Education before cynicism is crucial.)


xoxoxoBruce  Saturday May 27 10:49 PM

Hello UltraViolence, welcome to the Cellar.
Stick around and that registration won't be wasted, since you told us in Post #18 (in this thread) what we already knew in post #4.



Elspode  Sunday Jun 4 02:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubergeek
He might be a horse, but he's still a guy... if a guy were being strapped into an electric chair, and one of the guards was a woman, he'd flirt with her.
"Hey baby, wanna come over here and ride the lightnin' rod?"


milkfish  Sunday Jan 28 06:25 PM

It doesn't look good for the big guy.

Barbaro Takes a Bad Turn

Quote:
Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro suffered another significant setback over the weekend, and his fight for survival may have reached a critical point. After Barbaro developed a deep abscess in his right hind foot, surgery was performed Saturday to insert two steel pins in a bone, one that was shattered but now healthy, to eliminate all weight bearing on the ailing foot.
Apparently, there are problems in both rear legs now, and the surgery can have the side-effect of worsening conditions in the front legs.


Deuce  Monday Jan 29 02:31 PM

Barbaro Euthanized

It just got worse.



Elspode  Monday Jan 29 02:39 PM

Ah, that sucks.



Spexxvet  Monday Jan 29 03:58 PM

Just this morning I heard an interview with his Vet. He said that Barbaro was still eating and bright-eyed, and did not look like a horse in pain or ready to give up.



glatt  Monday Jan 29 04:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spexxvet View Post
Just this morning I heard an interview with his Vet. He said that Barbaro was still eating and bright-eyed, and did not look like a horse in pain or ready to give up.
I heard the same interview. The "bright-eyed" comment stuck with me. The vet was basically saying that even though the horse was going through all this crap, it was in good spirits.

I wonder if they get an insurance payout now that he's dead?


Elspode  Monday Jan 29 05:04 PM

Was Barbaro a stallion, gelding or mare? I honestly don't know, but, if a stallion, I assume he was thoroughly milked prior to having been put down...



Spexxvet  Monday Jan 29 05:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elspode View Post
Was Barbaro a stallion, gelding or mare? I honestly don't know, but, if a stallion, I assume he was thoroughly milked prior to having been put down...
Stallion. The reason for the heroic efforts, I think, was his stud value. Almost as valuable as yours, 'Spode.


Trilby  Monday Jan 29 06:30 PM

Barbaro was a colt. Only 4 years old. A baby.

They were pretty sure he would never be able to be put to stud as he didn't have much of a chance to put all his weight on his back legs. Artificial insemination is against horse racing rules.



milkfish  Monday Jan 29 07:11 PM

It's as sad as when they had to euthanize Ruffian after her match race with Foolish Pleasure.



jinx  Monday Jan 29 07:13 PM

Aww... poor guy.
My daughter heard the news on KYW in the car today and she's very sad. He was her pick in the Derby and Preakness last year.... she felt a connection.
I commend the owners and vets for trying so hard, and for knowing when enough was enough, it must have been a really hard decision.



Hoof Hearted  Monday Jan 29 10:00 PM

Great link, MilkFish! Ruffian is my all-time fave TB. Her courage was unequalled and her greatness never fully realized...
hh



wolf  Monday Jan 29 11:14 PM

Despite the possible profit in stud fees, I was very surprised they didn't euthenize Barbaro on the track. I remember Ruffian, too. It's a shame.



Hoof Hearted  Tuesday Jan 30 01:07 AM

I think they would have needed 20 years of stud fees to recoup what they would have received from insurance with euthanasia on the track. Far more profitable to have euthanized him, but they felt he had given so much to them, they should try to give back to him and give him a chance to live.

Regardless, his case has given new hope to other leg/hoof injuries and inspirational means of treatment.



SPUCK  Tuesday Jan 30 05:16 AM

What's sad is the continual press for faster horses. This means the breeding selects for thinner legs and smaller bones. The smaller and stiffer,(read brittle), the bones the faster the horse. And... the more often their legs will snap like a dry saltine. We will see this more and more often. It's what happens when we start selective breeding for one trait. Rather like Irish Setters that were bred for that classy look until they were utterly brainless.

Let me try to show this.
A modern cutting horse that has to be agile (turn a lot and quickly).


Poor Barbaro a thorobred bred for speed only. Notice the thin legs.



bigw00dy  Tuesday Jan 30 06:43 AM

[cue intense piano playing]
Once again, The Philly Curse has struck!!!
The Eagles.....
The Phillies.....
the Flyers......
and now Barbaro
Godspeed



busterb  Tuesday Jan 30 08:40 AM

So sad. They didn't give him time to answer all the cards and letters wishing him well.

26



Spexxvet  Tuesday Jan 30 08:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post
...Regardless, his case has given new hope to other leg/hoof injuries and inspirational means of treatment.
The Penn Vet School has received $$$millions in the name of Barbaro. Hopefully it will also help develop new treatments/cures.


Griff  Tuesday Jan 30 10:02 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPUCK View Post
What's sad is the continual press for faster horses. This means the breeding selects for thinner legs and smaller bones. The smaller and stiffer,(read brittle), the bones the faster the horse. And... the more often their legs will snap like a dry saltine. We will see this more and more often. It's what happens when we start selective breeding for one trait.
Isn't the thoroughbred breeding stock a relatively small and closed pool? They need new blood but I'm sure there are rules against it. The horses are more fragile and nominally faster. Look at how much time man has taken off the mile in the last hundred years and then look at the horse. I wonder if putting some standardbred into the pool wouldn't improve things?


xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jan 30 10:52 AM

Put some Clydesdale in for more fun. The entertainment is not in how fast they run, it's in how closely they're matched.



milkfish  Tuesday Jan 30 12:54 PM

Oh, sure, you say you're just mixing in a little Clydesdale, but someone gets carried away and this is what we'll get:Attachment 11734



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jan 30 03:53 PM

What's your point, Luddite?



Happy Monkey  Tuesday Jan 30 04:01 PM

They cleverly got around the obvious wing-size-to-weight issues by adding rocket nostrils.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jan 30 07:23 PM

He's sneezing from the Magic Dust.



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