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   Undertoad  Saturday Aug 19 10:27 AM

August 19, 2006: Naked woman hugs dead pig in performance art (NSFW)



I know a little about art, and I certainly know what I like and don't like, and I've decided I don't like this. Don't agree with any part of it. Apparently this went off last night.

Quote:
Controversial Irish performance artist Kira O’Reilly will invite one person at a time to watch her sit in a specially-constructed set and perform a 'crushing slow dance' with the carcass in her arms.

She claims the bizarre exhibition is an attempt to 'identify' with the pig, which she cuts with a knife during the show.

Visitors to the Newlyn Art Gallery in Newlyn, Cornwall - funded by taxpayers and the lottery - will be allowed to watch her for ten minutes. The gallery has defended its decision to stage the one-off show, but animal rights campaigners have labelled the performance 'sick'.
This may in fact be the time I fully agree with PETA, who are pissed.

Quote:
On the Tract Live Art Web site, O'Reilly is quoted as saying that when she first started working with a dead pig she began making "fiercely tender and ferocious identifications with the pig."

"The work left me with an undercurrent of pigginess, unexpected fantasies of mergence and interspecies metamorphoses began to flicker into my consciousness," she said.
Sure. It's more "artistic" if you describe the work in strange and difficult words, because if people don't understand exactly what you mean, they bring their own interpretations to it.

My own interpretation: it's crap.

full story in Daily Mail


Griff  Saturday Aug 19 10:32 AM

Is it cheaper to subsidize their art than to house them under Wolf"s care?



footfootfoot  Saturday Aug 19 10:34 AM

, Griff. Not piglady



Spexxvet  Saturday Aug 19 11:10 AM

A couple of questions:

How many performances before it (and she) start to smell like pork gone bad?

Who gets the bacon?

Why doesn't she have an apple in her mouth? Now THAT would be art!

What the fuck is the swan looking at?

Just curious.



Elspode  Saturday Aug 19 11:18 AM

I think she's missing a great chance to make a real artistic statement by just taking a big dump in the middle of the bed, then wallowing in it along with the dead pig. Now *that's* real piggishness. Slacker bitch.



footfootfoot  Saturday Aug 19 11:30 AM

the swann is looking at her boobs.



richlevy  Saturday Aug 19 11:35 AM

subtitle: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.



Griff  Saturday Aug 19 11:55 AM

You nailed it Rich. That photo with that caption should be the fifth result when you google Las Vegas.



milkfish  Saturday Aug 19 12:48 PM

Well, to be fair, the pig's the one that started it.



Trilby  Saturday Aug 19 01:06 PM

I read that *ahem* artists statement about "mergence and interspecies metamorphoses" but what I think she meant was "bestial necrophilia"



Clodfobble  Saturday Aug 19 01:55 PM

Am I seeing things, or does she have two nipple rings? The pig ought to have one in his nose, to reinforce her "undercurrent of pigginess."



footfootfoot  Saturday Aug 19 01:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna
I read that *ahem* artists statement about "mergence and interspecies metamorphoses" but what I think she meant was "bestial necrophilia"
We could call her a sadistic bestial necrophile, but that would be beating a dead horse.

:rimshot:


9th Engineer  Saturday Aug 19 03:12 PM

ewwwwwwwww.

I wonder how much money it would take to bribe a famous modern artist to shit in a jar, make up some background story, and pass it off as art. On a plus note, it must be a huge ego boost to see people fawning over and praising your shit.



dar512  Saturday Aug 19 03:33 PM

That is one sad sick little critter. And the pig doesn't look so good either.



Pangloss62  Saturday Aug 19 03:36 PM

Quote:
strange and difficult words
Not really. Just an arrogant and self-concious use of English to give the "impression" of sophistication. "Mergence?" That's just awful.


Trilby  Saturday Aug 19 03:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pangloss62
"Mergence?"
word Nazi.


xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Aug 19 05:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pangloss62
Not really. Just an arrogant and self-concious use of English to give the "impression" of sophistication. "Mergence?" That's just awful.
Leave UG out of this.

That's Leda dallying over her pork dinner to fend off Zeus' advances.


richlevy  Saturday Aug 19 05:41 PM

Any relation to Bill O'Reilly? Maybe she has daddy issues.

Today's word is falafel.



footfootfoot  Saturday Aug 19 06:28 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 9th Engineer
ewwwwwwwww.

I wonder how much money it would take to bribe a famous modern artist to shit in a jar, make up some background story, and pass it off as art. On a plus note, it must be a huge ego boost to see people fawning over and praising your shit.
that is so 43 years ago 9th

But you are on the right track to becoming a millionaire!!!


DanaC  Saturday Aug 19 06:56 PM

Quote:
Am I seeing things, or does she have two nipple rings?
That was from her previous exhibition 'Girl as curtain'


wolf  Saturday Aug 19 07:50 PM

I assume she is not a muslim, although, if she were, THAT would be one hell of an artistic statement.



capnhowdy  Saturday Aug 19 08:14 PM

I feel sorry for the pig. Being dead and all. What a waste of tits.



Crimson Ghost  Sunday Aug 20 12:08 AM

I knew a woman who used to hug a dead pig.



I called her Mom.



footfootfoot  Sunday Aug 20 01:44 AM

And the North Eastern Judges give the previous quartet of posters a 9.7.

I laughed until I stopped.

A poem:

Mom, your big tits
Like a curtain
Kept the pigs
Out of the mosque



bluecuracao  Sunday Aug 20 02:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by capnhowdy
I feel sorry for the pig. Being dead and all. What a waste of tits.
If he were alive, would he like human tits? Ew.


xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Aug 20 02:46 AM

Sure, I do and I'm a pig.... or is that redundant



bluecuracao  Sunday Aug 20 03:44 AM

Pigs liking tits? Or 'Ew?'



xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Aug 20 05:39 AM

Men ogling tits are pigs, I've been told...repeatedly.



bluecuracao  Sunday Aug 20 05:43 AM

Ah, yes. "My eyes are up 'here,' ya pig!"



rkzenrage  Sunday Aug 20 06:19 AM

Pig is dead
She sits
Naked
Cutting out
What she cannot
Have



euchrid  Sunday Aug 20 08:04 AM

Tori Amos did the whole 'pig statement' much better on 'Boys for Pele', where she suckled (as in breast fed a pig) on the album art.

For some reason, the middle classes think people should pay to see them indulge their own fantasies. When the poor or stupid create 'art' like this in their own homes, they are locked up.

Ms O'Reilly could fuel her "unexpected fantasies of mergence and interspecies metamorphoses" and enhance her "undercurrent of pigginess" by 'squealing like a pig' (Deliverance style), going to live in a pig sty for a year (naked, of course), or hanging upside and bleeding like one. Now that I would pay to see.

However, what she is doing is no worse than an average business does on a day-to-day basis. Why is it OK to eat and wear animal products where the animal has been treated much worse before and after death, but when some dumb young lady takes off her clothes and messes around with a dead pig, everyone gets upset? Anyone seen what goes on in an abbatoir (or a mortuary, come to think of it)? If I was the pig, I'd rather be despatched in the arms of a naked woman in the dubious name of 'art' than be sent to the grinder and end up in a McBreakfast.



The 42  Sunday Aug 20 08:39 AM

You know, If I took a carboard jeep, turned it upside down, painted a purple streak diagnolly down the middle, and sat on it naked wearing only red socks, and took a picture of myself, it would sell for a million dollars as modern art!



moonspider666  Sunday Aug 20 10:57 AM

it would probably just kill the jeep industry



joelnwil  Sunday Aug 20 11:23 AM

The thing that bothers me about this kind of stuff is that it certainly - and rightly - gives the artistic community a bad name. Where is there a sane artist or professor who denounces this as non-art and fundamentally fradulent? Let's hear from the professors of art at the universities, and from some real artists. Any word from them? Or are they just as stupid and deranged as this woman and the Art Gallery. Are artists all so stupid that nobody will condemn this?



footfootfoot  Sunday Aug 20 04:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by joelnwil
The thing that bothers me about this kind of stuff is that it certainly - and rightly - gives the artistic community a bad name. Where is there a sane artist or professor who denounces this as non-art and fundamentally fradulent? Let's hear from the professors of art at the universities, and from some real artists. Any word from them? Or are they just as stupid and deranged as this woman and the Art Gallery. Are artists all so stupid that nobody will condemn this?
Really, she's a piker compared to some of the truly depraved and morally bankrupt members of the "art community" SWMBO is always railling on about Damien Hirst (sp?) Google some links as to what he calls art. The critics and collectors lap it up with a spoon.

I'm far from PETA, (friends *do* eat friends) but a particularly egregious example of his was to adhere live butterflies to wet paint on his canvas.

It serves no point, it doesn't illuminate or educate, it doesn't heal people, or uplift in any way.

I recall a story my friend told me about when he and his brothers were young: They were sitting around and my friend's brother was pulling the legs off an ant. His uncle came along and told him to stop. The brother began to launch into a whole quasi philosophical rationalization about how the ant doesn't feel pain like we do, and how it isn't hurting the ant, etc. And the uncle looked at the boy and said "I don't care what it's doing to the ant, I care about what it's doing to you."

That stopped him cold and gave him something to think about.

Leaving aside the matter of what is happening to the butterflies, what is the "artwork" doing to you, the viewer?


Elspode  Sunday Aug 20 05:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 9th Engineer
ewwwwwwwww.

I wonder how much money it would take to bribe a famous modern artist to shit in a jar, make up some background story, and pass it off as art. On a plus note, it must be a huge ego boost to see people fawning over and praising your shit.
What, this wasn't close enough?


DanaC  Sunday Aug 20 05:15 PM

Quote:
And the uncle looked at the boy and said "I don't care what it's doing to the ant, I care about what it's doing to you."
That's chilling. On an unrelated note, three days ago in my town, a kitten was found which had been beheaded and had a paw cut off. The head and paw are still missing. Wonder if whomever did that started first on ants and flies.


footfootfoot  Sunday Aug 20 05:29 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elspode
What, this wasn't close enough?
I didn't want to trot out Serrano since he's had his day in the sun. Among most of the art world Serrano is regarded as a one hit wonder whose fame relied solely on the fuss that was caused by a) Catholics and b) the ACLU.

He only became an important collectible artist when he generated a lot of press through non critical mention.

Then again, it was the 80's where there was a lot of coin and dealers were practically pulling merchandise from their hinders.

What's he been up to lately? Hardly a Michelangelo or a Ruebens is he?


footfootfoot  Sunday Aug 20 05:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC
That's chilling. On an unrelated note, three days ago in my town, a kitten was found which had been beheaded and had a paw cut off. The head and paw are still missing. Wonder if whomever did that started first on ants and flies.
Ants and flies are confirmed gateway creatures.


maninthebox  Sunday Aug 20 10:23 PM

There's a pig in the picture? Where? I don't see one.



Elspode  Monday Aug 21 12:19 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by footfootfoot
What's he been up to lately? Hardly a Michelangelo or a Ruebens is he?
But...I wasn't arguing his importance. Just pointing out the use of bodily excretions as art being fairly passe by now.


footfootfoot  Monday Aug 21 01:29 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elspode
But...I wasn't arguing his importance. Just pointing out the use of bodily excretions as art being fairly passe by now.
Oh I know that, Els. I was just underlining your point and adding a handful of these things !!!! to it.


Sundae  Monday Aug 21 06:35 AM

Meh. The League of Gentlemen did it better:

Quote:
SCENE 12. INT. LOCAL SHOP. DAY.

EDWARD SHARPENS WHAT APPEARS TO BE A PIECE OF BONE INTO A SHARP POINT. WE HEAR SOBBING.

EDWARD:
You see, road men…this is a local shop.

WE SEE THE TWO SURVEYORS ARE HALF NAKED AND TIED TO A CHAIR. THEY STILL WEAR THEIR HELMETS.

The strangers you would bring would not understand us – our customs, our local ways.

WE SEE TUBBS SAT ON THE COUNTER, BREAST FEEDING A PIGLET. SHE SMILES IN PLEASURE.



Griff  Monday Aug 21 08:12 AM

It is often about the hype not the content as Han van Meegeren showed.



footfootfoot  Monday Aug 21 08:22 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Griff
It is often about the hype not the content as Han van Meegeren showed.

HA HA HA! I love it.


kisrael  Monday Aug 21 09:07 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by footfootfoot
It serves no point, it doesn't illuminate or educate, it doesn't heal people, or uplift in any way.
Damn, sounds like you don't want art, you want Jesus.

Personally I think it sounds like an interesting piece.

I think Art is What You Can Get Away With, and if this gal is doing just that, and maybe getting some people to think about their relationship with other mammals, or just enjoying seeing boobs in artsy setting, more power to her.


capnhowdy  Monday Aug 21 08:10 PM

Psstt... the pig is only sleeping.



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Aug 21 09:36 PM

Thanks Griff, I love it too.



Stonan  Tuesday Aug 22 10:03 PM

Okay.

1. I live with/am marrying an artist. She only had to say WTF about this.

2. I can go into the slum area of any city and probably find some nut dancing around with dead rats.

Is this art? No.There isn't ANY part of this that is art.

Is this the sign of a derranged mind? Yes.

If this is what she considers art then the guys with the butterfly nets better find her before she decides to do an encore with larger lifeforms.

But that's just one man's opinion, I may be wrong....



footfootfoot  Tuesday Aug 22 11:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisrael
Damn, sounds like you don't want art, you want Jesus.

Personally I think it sounds like an interesting piece.

I think Art is What You Can Get Away With, and if this gal is doing just that, and maybe getting some people to think about their relationship with other mammals, or just enjoying seeing boobs in artsy setting, more power to her.

Nahh, I found Jesus, he was under the couch the whole time. But stupid drivel isn't art even if you are wearing Buddy Holly glasses and have your jeans cuffed up about four inches.

If you think art is what you can get away with then you are on your way to millions. Good Luck!

Boobs, on the other hand are always welcome and theya re especially artsy in adult films which claim veracity as art, but are really jsut protected speech.


xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Aug 23 05:39 AM

I don't know much about art, but .......I've got a dictionary.

Quote:
art ~ n.
1-Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

2-a. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
2-b. The study of these activities.
2-c. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.

3-High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.

4-A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.

5-A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.

6-a. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
6-b. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.

7-a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
7-b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" (Joyce Carol Oates).

8-a. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
8-b. Artful contrivance; cunning.

9-Printing Illustrative material.

Art ~ v.
A second person singular present indicative of be.
Well, it's as clear as mud, but it covers the ground. By the dictionary's definitions, I'd say if someone says it's art, it is.

Personally, I think it's bad art.... but to each, his/her own.


Spexxvet  Wednesday Aug 23 09:20 AM

"To each, his/her own" is exactly right. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, including the beauty of art. There are those people who don't like this, who look at this and think it's a peice of shit, a travesty, an affront to real artists. Other people like this, they are obviously brain damaged.



footfootfoot  Wednesday Aug 23 11:55 AM

hee hee hee



Tin Man  Wednesday Sep 6 07:08 AM

The lady obviously likes a bit of pork between her thighs.

I didn't think anybody could stoop lower than Damiean Hurst the Worst and Tracey Emen the Empty in trying to convince people that they're artists but this braindead, talentless, bottom burp has.

Art my arse!



kisrael  Thursday Sep 7 10:25 PM

I think one measure of art is its ability to get people thinking about art, and by that measure it succeeds.

I ain't arguing it's great art, or even all that good.

It's like this class I took in "The 18th Century African American Novel" or some such. By most account, these works weren't great literature, full of their own stereotypes, melodrama, derivative of the popular works of the day.... but they were still worthy of study, partially because of the environment they were written in. From that, I came up with my personal "multiple intelligences theory for art". Just like it doesn't make sense to measure people on a single scale and call that "intelligence", I think art can succeed on many different planes. Great art, like Mozart or Shakespeare, will succeed on many levels, but pretty much anything that has gotten any attention at all probably works on at least some level.



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Sep 8 05:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisrael
I think one measure of art is its ability to get people thinking about art, and by that measure it succeeds. ~big snip
Well, it does do that, kirk. But to the great unwashed (holds up hand), people who think of "Art" as beautiful paintings, sculpture and Katkeepers Enamels, much of the contemporary performance art, this one in particular, degrades and diminishes the term. It changes "art is a good thing" to "art is sometimes a good thing".

Sure, it's worth is in the eye of the beholder, but when a performance claiming to be art, causes people to question the value of art in general, it sure doesn't help the cause. That's particularly true when the funding is revealed to be NEA or from some source we support.

I suppose this would be the lunatic fringe of art, but it's always the lunatic fringe that get the press and does the most damage to the cause.


kisrael  Friday Sep 8 05:16 PM

The funny thing is that 90% of NEA is this truly uncontroversial stuff, lots of support of folk arts and all the rest. And stuff along these lines and "Piss Christ" make it easy targets. But I don't want that kind of thinking to frame this debate.

Art has had big problems ever since photography entered the scene. Once it became easy to produce "realistic" images of life, art has had to figure out its own purpose.

I guess people are distrustful of art when it seems like it might be divorced from craft, or at least practiced skill. They doubt the sincerity of the artist and think it might all just be a big scam.

FWIW, this is the only place I've seen word of this exhibit, so it doesn't seem to be setting the world on fire anyway. And it's better than the other tact whcih brings us Thomas Kincaid galleries and maybe even these goddamn jittering smilies I get to chose from to make up the gap between informal written speech and the spoken word.


I mean hell, why do I have the option of this and anyway?



dar512  Friday Sep 8 05:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisrael
Art has had big problems ever since photography entered the scene. Once it became easy to produce "realistic" images of life, art has had to figure out its own purpose.
I disagree. A lot of great art has been produced since the advent of the camera. So some folks have been able to figure it out. The problem is that good art takes talent and a depth of feeling. Those who don't have it and wish they did will produce stuff like this.


xoxoxoBruce  Friday Sep 8 05:56 PM

I thought I should look at how the dictionary defines art.

Quote:
art n.
1-Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

2-a. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
2-b. The study of these activities.
2-c. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.

3-High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.

4-A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.

5-A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.

6-a. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
6-b. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.

7-a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
7-b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" (Joyce Carol Oates).

8-a. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
8-b. Artful contrivance; cunning.

Printing Illustrative material.
Synonyms: art, craft, expertise, knack, know-how, technique
These nouns denote skill in doing or performing that is attained by study, practice, or observation
Hmmm....art is everything and everything is art. As clear as mud, but it covers the ground.

Probably the comment after synonyms, about skill and achievement, covers most people's general definition.

I picked up these two pins, recently, at a table promoting the art club at work.


xoxoxoBruce  Friday Sep 8 05:59 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisrael
I mean hell, why do I have the option of this and anyway?
To express your artistic side.


kisrael  Friday Sep 8 06:37 PM

My favorite bumperstickerable slogan is "Good Art Does Not Match Your Sofa."

Naked lady cavorting with dead pig certainly doesn't match MY sofa.

At least, now that I got a decent slipcover for it.



BlacKat1980  Saturday Sep 9 06:42 AM

And what is it about a naked chick hugging a dead pig while cutting it up is aesthetically pleasing to "art" lovers?? Give me a pianting of a flower or buiding any day!



milkfish  Sunday Sep 10 08:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlacKat1980
And what is it about a naked chick hugging a dead pig while cutting it up is aesthetically pleasing to "art" lovers?? Give me a pianting of a flower or buiding any day!
Why does it have to be a picture of either a pig or a building, when it can be both?



Is it art? No, of course not...it's architecture.


BlacKat1980  Sunday Sep 10 04:55 PM

Very artistic indeed!! But where, may I ask, is the naked woman to make it "Art"?



milkfish  Sunday Sep 10 08:56 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlacKat1980
Very artistic indeed!! But where, may I ask, is the naked woman to make it "Art"?
She must be inside cooking lunch.


kisrael  Thursday Sep 14 10:30 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlacKat1980
And what is it about a naked chick hugging a dead pig while cutting it up is aesthetically pleasing to "art" lovers?? Give me a pianting of a flower or buiding any day!
And what is it that makes you think art has to be aesthetically pleasing?

Is Picasso's Guernica aesthetically pleasing?

How "pretty" something is isn't the point for a lot of people. Pretty is fairly easy. Thought-provoking is fairly easy too, as this thing shows, and for "art" lovers is probably the more important of the 2. Of course the best art might combine "aesthetically pleasing", "thought provoking" as well as "displays technical skill and craft".

With this woman, I'd say you get one out of three. Plus, boobies.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Sep 14 08:57 PM

Quote:
How "pretty" something is isn't the point for a lot of people. Pretty is fairly easy. Thought-provoking is fairly easy too, as this thing shows, and for "art" lovers is probably the more important of the 2. Of course the best art might combine "aesthetically pleasing", "thought provoking" as well as "displays technical skill and craft".
In that case what is not art? You are aesthetically pleasing and thought provoking, but I wouldn't call you art.
Quote:
art
n.
1-Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

2-a. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
2-b. The study of these activities.
2-c. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.

3-High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.

4-A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.

5-A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.

6-a. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
6-b. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.

7-a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
7-b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" (Joyce Carol Oates).

8-a. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
8-b. Artful contrivance; cunning.

9-Printing Illustrative material.
I guess the first three cover what most people think of when you say art.
I suppose art should be man made.... and have a purpose to the artist. But that would make a paint by numbers kit eligible to be called art, so there has to be more to it.


kisrael  Friday Sep 15 08:07 AM

Personally I say that , my definition is "Art is What You Can Get Away With". It's a mix of intention and convincing other people of your intention.



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Sep 15 11:55 AM

Excellent. That's the best I've heard yet.



Shawnee123  Friday Sep 15 12:04 PM

"How rich art is; if one can only remember what one has seen, one is never without food for thought or truly lonely, never alone."
Vincent Van Gogh to Theo



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Sep 15 11:32 PM

That's because Vinnie didn't have a PC and the Cellar.



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