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   Undertoad  Monday Sep 11 10:08 AM

September 11, 2006: 9/11 victims montage



There's nothing else I can do today except to follow Neatorama's lead. As Neato says,

Quote:
The photo above is a montage of those killed (except of 92 victims) by the terrorists attack on September 11, 2001. It was part of the prosecutorial exhibit from the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui.
Neato also offers a link to the site 2,996, a tribute to the victims of 9/11. (The site is overloaded and slow right now, so I've taken down the link, will put it back up when the site is available again.)

Listening this morning to Howard Stern's real time rebroadcast of his coverage of the day five years ago has been... and continues to be... a very moving experience. All of the confusion, the anger, the drama of the day plays out again.

The Cellar's own Where were you thread is fascinating, if I may toot our own horn.


Emrikol  Monday Sep 11 11:44 AM

World Reaction
World Reaction II
World Reaction III
World Reaction IV
Rescue Dog

Just a small selection. You know, I hate to admit this, but I was teary eyed on the way to work today listening to the radio replays of '01. That was five years of emotions coming back. I'm silly.



milkfish  Monday Sep 11 11:48 AM

What was special about the other 92? Are they the passengers and flight crew in the planes?



maninthebox  Monday Sep 11 11:56 AM

Awesome links Emrikol. That brought a few tears to my eyes. Fascinating montage as well.



Trilby  Monday Sep 11 12:13 PM

thanks, Emrikol. I'm pretty teary-eyed myself. I can't watch any of the movies, the documentaries...it makes me so unbearably sad. My life changed that day--I decided to quit my job because I was unhappy in it; the past five years have been years of upheaval and change for me.



Shawnee123  Monday Sep 11 12:14 PM

Thank you Emrikol. I got a bit teary myself. Maybe the entire rest of the world doesn't hate us. Or didn't.



rkzenrage  Monday Sep 11 02:40 PM

Re: Emrilol.... OT, but I had to...




Shawnee123  Monday Sep 11 03:58 PM

I love Goggies!



sproglet  Monday Sep 11 05:06 PM

Hate to be picky but it's not a montage is it?

It's a load of pictures stuck in neat rows on a wall.

I don't mean to be heartless but why dredge this up every year? surely it defines and celebrates the terrorist victory just as much, if not more, than the loss to the families of the victims.



Trilby  Monday Sep 11 05:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sproglet
I don't mean to be heartless but why dredge this up every year?
What shall we do? Forget? Pretend those lives didn't happen? You do sound heartless.


sproglet  Monday Sep 11 05:50 PM

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna
What shall we do? Forget? Pretend those lives didn't happen? You do sound heartless.
American media seem happy to pretend almost 3000 coalition troops haven't been killed so far in the pointless and illegal war in Iraq. I think I'm also right in thinking not a single name was read out from the list of several thousand innocent Iraqi civillians slaughtered thus far either.

Now that is heartless.


Emrikol  Monday Sep 11 05:51 PM

I'd rather it be more graphic and realistic. I hate the commercialization of it. Movies, books, stick-on-the-back-of-your-car magnets. WTF America?



Trilby  Monday Sep 11 05:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sproglet
American media seem happy to pretend almost 3000 coalition troops haven't been killed so far in the pointless and illegal war in Iraq. I think I'm also right in thinking not a single name was read out from the list of several thousand innocent Iraqi civillians slaughtered thus far either.

Now that is heartless.
the 9/11 remembrance is for remembering 9/11--not the war. War dead are memorialized on other days.

You can beat your drum on tons of other threads.


Undertoad  Monday Sep 11 06:50 PM

The IotD queue is pretty full right now, and I wasn't expecting to post this, but once I was listening to the real-time rebroadcast, I felt moved to do it.

It struck me a bit more than I expected, because it wasn't a timeline-y replay of the facts. It was a replay of the fear, the confusion, the sickening feeling, the amazement, which is what everybody was going through. Worry in some people's voices, anger in others.

The wandering concerns: are other places going to be hit? The slow burn of bad news as things got worse and worse and worse. The fog of war as a few rumors circulated and were dismissed: did they lose track of two other planes headed for LA? Did a third plane hit tower 1 before it fell? Was there an explosion on Capitol Hill? The common-sense question: what did we do to deserve this level of atrocity?

All that stuff was dredged up in me this morning. I didn't expect it but I realized what it was doing to me when somebody on the show said omigawd look the tower's falling, with a shaky voice, and suddenly I had a tear.



wolf  Monday Sep 11 08:45 PM

As a prosecutorial exhibit I think that the montage does a good job. It puts human faces on the tragedy, turning them from mere numbers to husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, daughters, sons, and friends.

The events of 9.11.01 are still unimaginable, particularly because they are real.



Karenv  Monday Sep 11 09:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by rkzenrage
Re: Emrilol.... OT, but I had to...

All of the rescue dogs that worked on the pile after 9/11 have died of cancer.


Aliantha  Monday Sep 11 09:16 PM

Why would the dogs die of cancer?



glatt  Monday Sep 11 09:18 PM

Asbestos



wolf  Monday Sep 11 09:18 PM

They apparently died of urbanlegenditis.

The University of Pennsylvania Veterinary School just completed a five year follow up study of the search dogs that worked the pile. Most are in good health.

This is an older reference to the study.



Undertoad  Monday Sep 11 09:20 PM

With their noses at ground level, trained to constantly sniff to find humans, they surely breathed in the worst of whatever was present down there.




wolf  Monday Sep 11 09:22 PM

The 9-11 Dog Study Website



Undertoad  Monday Sep 11 09:25 PM

I'm utterly relieved! Thanks wolf!



wolf  Monday Sep 11 09:29 PM

I saw a piece on FoxNews today about the search dogs. Apparently there's a new book about the dogs at Ground Zero that looks pretty interesting. I had also heard about the search dogs dying in droves, and am very glad to know that it's not true.



neatorama  Tuesday Sep 12 05:37 AM

These dogs have a stressful job - they can actually get depressed if they don't find live people every now and then. In fact, their handlers usually "hide" a live person for these dogs to discover after several hours on the job, to stave off stress and depression.

Thanks for noticing the post entry on Neatorama, UT! It looks much better here ...



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Sep 12 01:02 PM

I would hope they have boots for the dogs like the sled teams use, but I guess respirators are out of the question.

I too, get depressed if I don't find a live one now and then.



wolf  Wednesday Sep 13 02:54 AM

Many rescue dogs do wear boots, but sometimes the tradeoff between sureness of footing and protecting their paws is a tough choice. As far as respirators go, I'm sure someone has developed them, but it's tough as hell to get a dog to wear a cute little sweater, a heavy piece of equipment would be tougher. Except for balancing things on their nose tricks, most dogs don't like stuff on their faces. It also would impair their scent tracking capability.

If the rescue dog lady is at my meeting tomorrow night, I'll ask her about that, though.



neatorama  Wednesday Sep 13 07:26 AM

the dogs can't smell with a respirator!



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Sep 13 08:25 AM

Bingo.



Shawnee123  Wednesday Sep 13 09:52 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolf
I'm sure someone has developed them, but it's tough as hell to get a dog to wear a cute little sweater, a heavy piece of equipment would be tougher.
Oh yeah?

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