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   Undertoad  Monday Oct 9 01:12 PM

October 9, 2006: Javelin accident



Can't be too careful, I guess - this track and field judge named Lia Mara Lourenco was hit in a competition in Brazil. Brief after-the-fact Reuters news video is here (0:27):



Transported to hospital with the javelin still in the foot - I guess that's the right way to go, although you would really hope somebody could locate a hacksaw and at least make it shorter and less likely to lever right into nerve endings.





Spexxvet  Monday Oct 9 01:20 PM

The distance of the throw? 198 yards and (drumroll please) one foot.



bbro  Monday Oct 9 01:25 PM

Ow



Griff  Monday Oct 9 01:46 PM

Yah, thats gonna leave a mark.



BigV  Monday Oct 9 01:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spexxvet
The distance of the throw? 198 yards and (drumroll please) one foot.
:roflmao:


BigV  Monday Oct 9 01:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spexxvet
The distance of the throw? 198 yards and (drumroll please) one foot.
:rofl:


ashke  Monday Oct 9 02:12 PM

Yikes, what'll become of her foot??



Flint  Monday Oct 9 02:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ashke
Yikes, what'll become of her foot??



charmzny  Monday Oct 9 02:46 PM

I'm still trying to figure out how you don't see that coming.....

Considering she's one of the judges, shouldn't she be paying attention where it's headed??

I'm sure it hurts like the devil - nothing like literally getting nailed to the ground.



Trilby  Monday Oct 9 03:15 PM

I know what she's thinking: MORPHINE!

PS-Flint, that was uncalled for.



Tomtheman5  Monday Oct 9 03:17 PM

What are the chances? I mean, that's centered pretty well in the middle of her foot. This was forwarded to me a few days ago, and I definitely thought it was fake...


And PS - Not only was she not looking, but...

...what was she doing in the middle of the freakin' field?



Flint  Monday Oct 9 03:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna
PS-Flint, that was uncalled for.
Conversely: maybe your comment was uncalled for. This isn't intelligently debatable...


Shawnee123  Monday Oct 9 03:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomtheman5
And PS - Not only was she not looking, but...

...what was she doing in the middle of the freakin' field?
Maybe she's just plain stupid?


pegusitas  Monday Oct 9 03:51 PM

Happened before

I've seen video (though I'm too busy/lazy right now to locate it) of a judge getting impaled by a javelin. He got it straight through the middle. It was really weird because he was completely oblivious to it until it struck.

I saw that video at least four years ago, so I'm sure it's around on the 'net somewhere.



Spexxvet  Monday Oct 9 04:09 PM

A kid on my high school track and field team would catch the javelin. This is at the end of a real throw! I think he got "most likely to die young" in our yearbook.



Trilby  Monday Oct 9 04:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flint
Conversely: maybe your comment was uncalled for. This isn't intelligently debatable...
Not your comment, your pic. I was kidding about it.


Flint  Monday Oct 9 04:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna
I was kidding about it.
Damn you and your kidding.


barefoot serpent  Monday Oct 9 04:18 PM

the judges are in the field to mark the spot where they javelin hits -- when the javelin fails to 'stick' the landing.

and like any flying object: they are often difficult to see when they are coming straight for you.



Tomtheman5  Monday Oct 9 04:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by barefoot serpent
the judges are in the field to mark the spot where they javelin hits -- when the javelin fails to 'stick' the landing.
What a terrible job! Can't they use cameras or something?!


barefoot serpent  Monday Oct 9 04:30 PM

nope... still requires someone to 'flag' the spot and to hold the end of the measuring tape.

There is usually a safety person who watches the field to make sure it is clear before signalling to the athlete. Of course, it's also easy for the javelin to take an errant course.



pegusitas  Monday Oct 9 04:38 PM

Found that old video

OK. I found the video I mentioned earlier. It's tiny, but you can see why I remembered it. For those who might be squeamish... it's not really gory.

http://www.stfunoob.com/movies/Unlik...20Accident.mpg



Shawnee123  Monday Oct 9 04:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by barefoot serpent
nope... still requires someone to 'flag' the spot and to hold the end of the measuring tape.

There is usually a safety person who watches the field to make sure it is clear before signalling to the athlete. Of course, it's also easy for the javelin to take an errant course.
With all our technology they can't find some better way to measure this? Come on!

I'm still trying to figure out how the NFL gets the blue scrimmage line and the yellow first down line on the TV without it going over the player's pictures.

We can send a man to the moon, but we can't stop killing javelin judges. If they outlaw javelins, only outlaws will have javelins (and any other trite sayings you want to throw in here.)


Spexxvet  Monday Oct 9 04:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by pegusitas
OK. I found the video I mentioned earlier. It's tiny, but you can see why I remembered it. For those who might be squeamish... it's not really gory.

http://www.stfunoob.com/movies/Unlik...20Accident.mpg
Any movies of shot put or discuss accidents?


dar512  Monday Oct 9 05:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123
With all our technology they can't find some better way to measure this? Come on!
Technology costs money. Warm bodies are cheap. While this was a national competition, even your local grade school probably has a track and field team - and somebody ends up judging these things.


mosquito  Monday Oct 9 05:54 PM

Lia Mara Lourenco's dream of becoming the first internationally recognized javelin punter comes to a painful end.



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Oct 9 06:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123
With all our technology they can't find some better way to measure this? Come on!
snip
We can send a man to the moon, but we can't stop killing javelin judges.
Brazil sent a man to the moon?

Funny, mosquito.


Clodfobble  Monday Oct 9 11:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123
I'm still trying to figure out how the NFL gets the blue scrimmage line and the yellow first down line on the TV without it going over the player's pictures.
I always assumed it was just the typical green-screen technology: the field is already green, and the players aren't.


SPUCK  Tuesday Oct 10 05:50 AM

Quote:
I'm still trying to figure out how the NFL gets the blue scrimmage line and the yellow first down line on the TV without it going over the player's pictures.
As found on Sportvisions site:
A laser placed in the center of the field is used to collect data on elevation points. That information is used to draw a computer map of the contours of the field, and the map is adjusted and overlaid onto the camera’s view of the actual field. Anywhere from three to five separate broadcast cameras are outfitted with custom Sportvision sensors and encoders to capture camera data so that the 1st and Ten Computers can enhance one camera “live” with the yellow line, and any of the others for use in replay. As cameras pan, tilt and zoom, this data enables the virtual line to follow suit, staying in perspective and getting larger and smaller, as needed.

Drawing the yellow line so that it appears to be painted on field underneath the players is accomplished through a sophisticated process of color keying that allows the operators to tell the computers what colors to draw on (grass, dirt) and what not to draw on (skin, uniforms). And finally, after adding the precise location of the first down marker to the system, Walla … The Yellow Line appears like magic on your TV screen.

I believe they also use 13 computers.

It's hard to do.


Spexxvet  Tuesday Oct 10 09:09 AM

welcome, spuck!



Shawnee123  Tuesday Oct 10 09:52 AM

Well, is nothing else I learned how they do the lines in NFL! Thanks all!

Someone had mentioned that the judges needed to be where they are placed because (and this is my take on it, please correct if wrong) the javelin does not always stick into the ground, so the landing spot must be determined.

But a javelin is sharp enough to impale a foot or a body; wouldn't it probably leave some kind of "divot" in the ground?



Hoof Hearted  Tuesday Oct 10 09:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123
But a javelin is sharp enough to impale a foot or a body; wouldn't it probably leave some kind of "divot" in the ground?
A javelin does not leave a 'divot' like a golf club... How good are our eyes to find a small hole in the ground under grass? The person still needs to be nearby to mark the spot.


Spexxvet  Tuesday Oct 10 10:02 AM

Not to mention when it lands flat and does not pierce the ground at all.



footfootfoot  Tuesday Oct 10 12:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted
A javelin does not leave a 'divot' like a golf club...
Yeah. You tell that to Lia Mara Lourenco...


Shawnee123  Tuesday Oct 10 12:32 PM

I guess I was thinking that if the javelin did not stick, it would make some sort of tear in the ground. You wouldn't need to be right up on it to spot it and find it later.

But, the javelin experts have set me straight. I had no idea of the intricacies involved in stick throwing. I apologize to the many javelin advocates and hope that I haven't offended your sensibilities with my ignorance of this most beloved of activities.

Impale away, I say!

(hangs head in shame)



footfootfoot  Tuesday Oct 10 12:48 PM

What's black and white and red and can't use a revolving door?



SPUCK  Wednesday Oct 11 05:52 AM

Thanks for the welcome Spexxvet!

I have been looking at the cellar for a few months and usually laughing my head off at the sharp wit the flows freely around here.

It took me a while to get in because all the cellar responses were whacked out by spam filters.. ARGH!! Death to spammers.



SPUCK  Wednesday Oct 11 05:58 AM

I wounder what it's like to be watching a javelin coming in your direction from out of the sky and to lose it... in glare, or clouds, or the sun, as it is the size of a quarter coming at you. Then you have a short time to wonder..... where it will hit... ARGH!! - MY *&%^$*%#$ FOOT!!!! (medic!)



breakingnews  Wednesday Oct 11 09:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spexxvet
Any movies of shot put or discuss accidents?
Not shotput or discus, but another track & field event ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZ8gzbC8WWc

This video went around when I was pole vaulting in college. I'm sure many of you have seen it.

I did injure myself, but all I did was fall from 15 feet and snap my ankle in two places. Piddlyshit.


chrisinhouston  Wednesday Oct 11 02:48 PM

This IOTD should be a wake up call for all members; make sure you have a current tetanus shot!



Shawnee123  Wednesday Oct 11 02:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by breakingnews
Not shotput or discus, but another track & field event ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZ8gzbC8WWc

This video went around when I was pole vaulting in college. I'm sure many of you have seen it.

I did injure myself, but all I did was fall from 15 feet and snap my ankle in two places. Piddlyshit.
Ouch. I don't even have one of those and I feel the pain!


be-bop  Wednesday Oct 11 07:18 PM

And we have the winner of the "catch the javelin" contest...



KinkyVixen  Saturday Oct 21 04:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by footfootfoot
What's black and white and red and can't use a revolving door?

me after I've tried several times?


Happy Monkey  Saturday Oct 21 05:52 PM

A mime with a spear through the chest?



footfootfoot  Saturday Oct 21 06:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
A mime with a spear through the chest?
We have a winner!


milkfish  Tuesday Oct 31 06:51 PM


An unfortunate outcome



SPUCK  Wednesday Nov 1 05:21 AM

Poor pool cue... LOL



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