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   Undertoad  Friday Oct 13 01:03 PM

October 13, 2006: World's smallest horse



Daily Mail via Spluch.

Meet Thumbelina, the world's smallest horse. She's just 17 inches tall despite being an adult horse, 5 years old.

I want one!

She was born at an American horse farm that specializes in tiny horses; normally the tiny beasts are twice Thumbelina's size.

That means Thumbelina is not really a freak of nature. My high school biology teacher used the local miniature horse farm as an example, when explaining genetics. Part of the theory of evolution is that genetic mutations happen and the new changes are accepted or rejected over time, slowly leading to improvements and adaptation. The mini horse tells us that you don't necessarily need mutation to vastly change a species.

It was a good explanation, but I would have used dogs as an example. The teacup Chihuahua, the Great Dane, the English Bulldog and the Russian Wolfhound, all are the same species. We have bred them specifically for genetic variations, and created dogs that wildly vary, to the point where most of the variations would not even continue to exist without human intervention.



Emrikol  Friday Oct 13 01:18 PM

That's cute. I heard them talking about thumbelina on Fox and Friends (via Sirius Radio)...now I know

SMALL!





Shawnee123  Friday Oct 13 01:22 PM

I...must...have...small...horsey!

How cute is that?

HOOF? YOu need to check this out!



Elspode  Friday Oct 13 01:40 PM

Wow. A house horse. I mean, one that doesn't require reconstruction of the house in order to accomodate it.



Flint  Friday Oct 13 01:43 PM

Poor thing looks horribly deformed.
Probably has numerous health issues related to it's being a genetic novelty item.



Undertoad  Friday Oct 13 01:47 PM

Having a tail so long it hangs at your feet would be a pain in the ass.



Saknussem  Friday Oct 13 02:11 PM

omg, that is SO damn sweet my pancreas is hurting. Seriously though; where do we GET ONE? I want one to give to my wife -- a palomino one. It would be cool to see it kick the cat around the house. I would gladly trade one of my kids for one of those horses.

Name it Epony (pronounced Ee-pon-ee pun on Celtic horse goddess).



Spexxvet  Friday Oct 13 02:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad
... My high school biology teacher used the local miniature horse farm as an example, when explaining genetics. Part of the theory of evolution is that genetic mutations happen and the new changes are accepted or rejected over time, slowly leading to improvements and adaptation. The mini horse tells us that you don't necessarily need mutation to vastly change a species.
...
Ahem.... Don't you think it's just intelligent design?

I wonder if she wears tiny little horeshoes. And how much weight can she carry?


dar512  Friday Oct 13 02:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spexxvet
I wonder if she wears tiny little horeshoes.
I saw a program a while ago where these really small horses are used like guide dogs. The horses in question wore sneakers so that they wouldn't make too much noise indoors.


pegusitas  Friday Oct 13 02:50 PM

Check out my screen name. My friend and I made it up because we thought of the ultimate pet that we could design and breed: a dog-sized flying horse. A "pegusita"!

Now that half of the work has been done, we just need to add wings to the sucker. And then soon all the world will revel in taking their pegusitas for a walk/fly.

/Yes, it's stupid, but the story behind the name is true.



Elspode  Friday Oct 13 03:02 PM

Does the little horsie remind anyone of else of human dwarves? Normal, *but*, stuff is sort of out of proportion...they aren't just shrunken photocopies of the so-called "normal" examples of their species?



Griff  Friday Oct 13 03:16 PM

She doesn't look half bad compared to a lot of them. Some you wouldn't even consider throwing on the barbie.



bigw00dy  Friday Oct 13 03:25 PM

I do not see porn in this horses future!! Looks like seeing-eye horse it is.



glatt  Friday Oct 13 03:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Griff
Some you wouldn't even consider throwing on the barbie.
Speaking of that, has anyone here ever had horse meat? Is it used in dog food? I wonder how it tastes. I know horses are rendered into glue and such and maybe even into jello, but is there any place you can get horse meat for consumption?

These little guys look like they might be tender.


Griff  Friday Oct 13 03:30 PM

Its illegal some places, isn't it?



mrnoodle  Friday Oct 13 03:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt
is there any place you can get horse meat for consumption?
Wendy's. They also had kangaroo for awhile, unless I have my urban legends mixed up.


xoxoxoBruce  Friday Oct 13 03:36 PM

France consumes tons of horsemeat every week. Years ago there was an outfit in Canada that owned 3 Boeing jets. They did nothing but carry horse meat from Canada to France, full time.

http://www.worldssmallesthorse.com/home.html



Hoof Hearted  Friday Oct 13 03:47 PM

Flint and Els, you guys are RIGHT ON. This little mare is an example of equine dwarfism. The article also stated how carefully they must monitor her feed intake and that she has leg problems that require braces.

Quote:
From article:
She has the ability to become pregnant and give birth to foals, but her owners have decided not to allow this to happen.

Mr Goessling, 39, said: 'There could be complications during the pregnancy, so we think it is better to avoid the risks.

'And although we love Thumbelina, we do not think it is right that the gene which creates dwarfism in horses is carried on through future generations.'
I had seen another story of a tiny mini foal that was allowed in the house, they wrapped her hooves with a product called 'vet wrap' which is a stretchy bandage with latex in it. It was grippy enough for the foal to get around the floors of the house without slipping...

America's misdirected-PETA converts and knee-jerk-reaction bleeding hearts are currently trying to ban horse slaughter for human consumption, with the ultimate goal of banning horse slaughter altogether...
Would it surprise you to learn I, a self-proclaimed horse lover, am pro-slaughter of horses?


Undertoad  Friday Oct 13 03:53 PM

You must see the videos on xoB's linked site. The second video is kind of lame, just an interview, but the first one shows her running around.



Spexxvet  Friday Oct 13 04:14 PM

I think she looks more a pot-bellied pig than a horse. When she runs, she has her head down, like a pig, not up like a horse, and her barrel chest makes her piggish. Of course we could tell if we could taste her.



jinx  Friday Oct 13 04:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt
Speaking of that, has anyone here ever had horse meat? Is it used in dog food? I wonder how it tastes. I know horses are rendered into glue and such and maybe even into jello, but is there any place you can get horse meat for consumption?
Europe and Canada. My grandmother used to say it was more common than any other meat at her local butcher's shop in Belgium.


Shawnee123  Friday Oct 13 04:49 PM

A horse is a horse of course of course
and no one can eat a horse of course,
unless of course that horse is between two buns with lettuce, tomato, mayo, with a side of fries



astrodex  Friday Oct 13 07:23 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
France consumes tons of horsemeat every week. Years ago there was an outfit in Canada that owned 3 Boeing jets. They did nothing but carry horse meat from Canada to France, full time.

http://www.worldssmallesthorse.com/home.html
I just saw an article about American horses being stolen for the meat to feed Europeans. Modern day rustlers. Do they still hang 'em? And don't they have horses over there they could eat? I guess if they did they wouldn't be importing from Canada.

Where you draw the line on the food chain is arbitrary anyway. Meat is meat, I say. I think cows are cute but I still loves me some burgers.


Karenv  Saturday Oct 14 12:21 AM

Horse meat tastes a bit gamier than beef and isn't as fat. I used to get horse tenderloins. It has just been made illegal in the last session of Congress so I guess they will throw them away or feed them to the dogs when they get old. In fact I used to be able to buy ground horseburger as animal food in NYC in the 70s, if memory serves.



SPUCK  Saturday Oct 14 05:44 AM

I think that big draft horse's look sez it all.. "What the hell are you?"



slang  Saturday Oct 14 06:21 AM

Can it be horse-box trained?

Can one fly on a plane with a tripping passenger?

Slang: Hi, yeah....I was wondering, now I know this sounds crazy....but I have this tiny horse and I'd like to bring it with me to India. What might the procedure be for taking a horse with you on a flight?
United: *click*



Ibby  Saturday Oct 14 06:37 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by astrodex
Meat is meat, I say.

"They're made of meat..."


milkfish  Saturday Oct 14 11:01 AM

It's probably much better than beef these days. Who's heard of mad horse disease, anyhow?



footfootfoot  Saturday Oct 14 10:38 PM

Griff, I knew I could count on you.

Now has anyone mentioned "dental floss" yet?



chrisinhouston  Monday Oct 16 08:37 AM

Well, she could have a future as a guide horse for the blind!

http://www.guidehorse.org/photo_page.htm



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Oct 16 05:11 PM

I don't know, chris. She's awfully high maintenance for a blind person to keep.



Sundae  Tuesday Oct 17 05:22 AM

Was she bred by the French as a special starter portion?
Or just for Tom Cruise?



DucksNuts  Tuesday Oct 17 06:02 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundae Girl
Or just for Tom Cruise?

Ohhh you are nasty!!





but friggen funny


Promenea  Wednesday Oct 18 12:52 PM

Quote:
The mini horse tells us that you don't necessarily need mutation to vastly change a species.
Uh, and exactly what do you think cause the small size other than a mutation? Actually it could be multiple mutations that all worked together to make an exceptionally small horse based on the parents or it could be a spontaneous germline mutation that occured with just this horse. Either way, the tiny horse does not have the same wild type genes as the big horse.


Promenea  Wednesday Oct 18 12:52 PM

Quote:
The mini horse tells us that you don't necessarily need mutation to vastly change a species.
Uh, and exactly what do you think cause the small size other than a mutation? Actually it could be multiple mutations that all worked together to make an exceptionally small horse based on the parents or it could be a spontaneous germline mutation that occured with just this horse. Either way, the tiny horse does not have the same wild type genes as the big horse.


Flint  Wednesday Oct 18 01:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Promenea
Uh, and exactly what do you think cause the small size other than a mutation?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad
She was born at an American horse farm that specializes in tiny horses...



Happy Monkey  Wednesday Oct 18 01:43 PM

Unless they used gene therapy, it's still a mutation. One that they artificially select for in order to propagate.



Flint  Wednesday Oct 18 01:49 PM

So, every feature of every living thing is a mutation.



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Oct 18 10:15 PM

She came from a miniature horse farm, but turned out to be little mare than half their other miniatures because of the dwarf gene appearing.
The dwarf gene may have been recessive for generations, but when it appeared the owners decided to stop that line by not breeding her.



milkfish  Thursday Oct 19 09:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flint
So, every feature of every living thing is a mutation.
Wait a minute, are people still allowed to talk like that?


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Oct 19 03:43 PM

Yes, but no one takes them seriously......except Homeland Security.



morethanpretty  Wednesday Oct 25 01:22 PM

Hmm...I wonder if they could breed miniture cows? And how long would it take? For some reason my b/f wants a mini cow...and a guard dog bunny. I promised him that I would try.



Griff  Wednesday Oct 25 01:38 PM

Look into dexter cattle.



Hoof Hearted  Thursday Oct 26 11:24 AM

A guick google brought up this site that lists Miniature Cattle breeds.
http://www.minicattle.com/



Sheldonrs  Thursday Oct 26 11:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted
A guick google brought up this site that lists Miniature Cattle breeds.
http://www.minicattle.com/
From the web page:

"For sale miniature cattle
For pets, for pleasure, for fun"

The "pleasure" comment has me a little worried!


Flint  Thursday Oct 26 11:30 AM

I knew it! Why else would you want a mini-cow?



Shawnee123  Thursday Oct 26 11:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs
From the web page:

"For sale miniature cattle
For pets, for pleasure, for fun"

The "pleasure" comment has me a little worried!

Where's the mini-sheep?


dar512  Thursday Oct 26 12:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123
Where's the mini-sheep?
Hiding.


wolf  Thursday Oct 26 01:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flint
I knew it! Why else would you want a mini-cow?
Portable CheeseSteak.


wolf  Thursday Oct 26 01:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrnoodle
Wendy's. They also had kangaroo for awhile, unless I have my urban legends mixed up.
When I heard that one, it was always McDonalds. The claim was never direct, however ... just that "they are the largest importer of Kangaroo Meat in the United States," leaving the listener to draw his or her own conclusions.


Shawnee123  Thursday Oct 26 02:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by dar512
Hiding.

Sorry, was that b-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ad?

:p


staceyv  Saturday Oct 28 12:45 PM

There is no such thing as a teacup chihuahua.
http://www.chihuahuaclubofamerica.com/teacup.htm



xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Oct 28 07:32 PM

Don't believe them, Stacey, why I found one in my teacup just the other day. A little water and a few minutes in the microwave made a right tasty brew.



staceyv  Sunday Oct 29 12:13 AM




Trilby  Sunday Oct 29 07:40 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by staceyv
There is no such thing as a teacup chihuahua.
What else have they lied to me about?


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