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   Undertoad  Friday Nov 17 09:15 AM

November 17, 2006: Ordinary folks visit dolphins



The official cap:

Quote:
A Pacific white-sided dolphin approaches visitors wearing 'Seawalkers' in a salt water tank at Enoshima Aquarium in Fujisawa, southwest of Tokyo. By using the underwater equipment, even inexperienced divers can submerge themselves in 3-meter-deep water to get up close and personal with the dolphins.
Apparently they get to punch them, if you believe the photo. No, this is a fine idea, I'm all in favor of it. Get up close and personal with 'em!



Now, in a rare double Friday IotD, this news item is going around. I didn't want to make it a lone IotD.

This (xoB/WaPo) shot is allegedly of a cat who was impregnated by a dog and has now had dog-like kittens. People are investigating the claim, but I am already willing to put any amount of money on the side that this is a hoax.

Sometimes the news people just enjoy putting out a totally crap story without any kind of basis. Or maybe the news folks don't understand it either. Biology ensures that there is no way that a dog and cat can successfully bring about a litter of puttens (or kippies).

I may get things wrong from time to time - and I always need your help to figure out where I have blown it - so this is a chance to say, no effing way, people, think about it for a moment.


Emrikol  Friday Nov 17 09:45 AM

I just had the greatest idea! I'll make pot-bellied elephants!


Really though, this would have been a great IotD to feature the Wolphin that was recently born



barefoot serpent  Friday Nov 17 10:22 AM

...and then there was the dolphin with vestigal rear fins recently caught off Japan.



Flint  Friday Nov 17 10:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad
Biology ensures that there is no way that a dog and cat can successfully bring about a litter of puttens (or kippies).

I may get things wrong from time to time - and I always need your help to figure out where I have blown it - so this is a chance to say, no effing way, people, think about it for a moment.
I'm gonna say you are absolutely 100% right. They are too far from being on the same evolutionary branch. No brainer.


Flint  Friday Nov 17 10:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by barefoot serpent
...and then there was the dolphin with vestigal rear fins recently caught off Japan.
Well, whales have vestigial knee joints, which makes you wonder why God went to such lengths to trick scientists.


Shawnee123  Friday Nov 17 10:31 AM

Quote:
I may get things wrong from time to time - and I always need your help to figure out where I have blown it - so this is a chance to say, no effing way, people, think about it for a moment.
Quote:
I'm gonna say you are absolutely 100% right. They are too far from being on the same evolutionary branch. No brainer.
Oh yeah? Well, you just tell that to my pet Fluffy McFido. Sheesh


Sundae  Friday Nov 17 11:30 AM

If people are making new animals, can I have miniature amphibious pigs please?

I could have a bowl of them on my desk at work - like terrapins. When I'm bored I can race them, and when I'm hungry I can microwave them and eat them whole. Mmmmmmmmm, crunch the little pig-snacks.....

If anyone actually creates these I get royalties, right?



Shawnee123  Friday Nov 17 11:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundae Girl
If people are making new animals, can I have miniature amphibious pigs please?

I could have a bowl of them on my desk at work - like terrapins. When I'm bored I can race them, and when I'm hungry I can microwave them and eat them whole. Mmmmmmmmm, crunch the little pig-snacks.....

If anyone actually creates these I get royalties, right?
:p


Trilby  Friday Nov 17 12:15 PM

Apparently, UT has never heard of CatDog.


(this would have been funnier if I only knew how to make a link to an actual picture of the cartoon character CatDog. On Nickelodean.)



barefoot serpent  Friday Nov 17 12:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna
Apparently, UT has never heard of CatDog.


(this would have been funnier if I only knew how to make a link to an actual picture of the cartoon character CatDog. On Nickelodean.)



cjjulie  Friday Nov 17 03:15 PM

How does cat dog pooh?



mickja1  Friday Nov 17 03:36 PM

I agree, this is biologically impossible. I was a biology major (now a doctor) and this just doesn't happen. The closest to interspecies breeding is the horse & donkey making a mule. But even the horse & donkey are closer phenotypically than, say, a bull mastiff and chihuahua (which makes you wonder if donkeys are really not a distinct species but rather the chihuahuas of horses!).

As for the "vestigial" things, I am constantly amazed at things that seem to be holdovers from a more primitive stage of evolution but are later found to have a purpose after all (though admittedly difficult to determine empirically). The appendix (main center of vitamin K synthesis) and tonsils (regional immune defense and offering some protection against gastroenteritis), for example, in our own bodies. My take is that God did create all species, but he used similar motifs in the design of each species. We do the same thing when we design things--look at how similar general computer design is (no matter the application or time when it was designed), or for another example, things powered by internal combustion engines (cars, airplanes, motorcycles). They all have a similar plan but different variations given the individual application. Just a thought and not intended to preach...



rkzenrage  Friday Nov 17 04:28 PM

I know too much about dolphins to think of them a cute. Ladies, watch yourself while swimming in the Mediterranean, whew.



mcnugget91  Friday Nov 17 06:36 PM

So....what would the dolphins do to a 'Lady' in the Mediterranean? Maybe make a new species? Humaphin?



rkzenrage  Friday Nov 17 06:39 PM

They try. Sometimes succeed in their attempt at trying, without consent.
They also rape their own.
One of the few animals that practice war & kill for fun.



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Nov 17 10:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by cjjulie
How does cat dog pooh?
What do you think makes them so mean?


ajaccio  Saturday Nov 18 12:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad
...This (xoB/WaPo) shot is allegedly of a cat who was impregnated by a dog and has now had dog-like kittens. People are investigating the claim, but I am already willing to put any amount of money on the side that this is a hoax....
Hmm. Poor kitty looks like she's been beat up...! I think this is just another one of those inter-species nursing sessions that we've all seen before. Cute idea, but dang that cat took it hard from something!


Ibby  Saturday Nov 18 01:23 AM

Dolphins are at least as 'human' as chimps are, just a bit of a different shape.

They also regularly take gay partners for life, which totally wins my respect from them.



lumberjim  Saturday Nov 18 01:32 AM

i've always thought of foxes as cat/dog crosses. they have the traits of both.



SeanAhern  Saturday Nov 18 08:04 AM

Chromosomes

I think cats and dogs are impossible to breed together because they have dramatically different numbers of chromosomes. Cats have 19 pairs, while dogs have 39 pairs. As a point of contrast, humans have 23 pairs. If you can't pair up the chromosomes in some way, there's no way for a zygote to form.

From wikipedia:

Quote:
Viable hybrids between species are possible regardless of chromosome number differences provided the gene combination in the hybrid allows for embryonic development to birth. Large differences in chromosome number, however, would make hybrid bitches so poorly fertile as to be essentially sterile. Male hybrids would be sterile due to a phenomenon called Haldane's Rule. The lack of genetically verified fox/dog hybrids indicates that viable embryos are not formed.)



Sundae  Saturday Nov 18 09:30 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibram
Dolphins are at least as 'human' as chimps are, just a bit of a different shape.

They also regularly take gay partners for life, which totally wins my respect from them.
Chimps will suddenly turn on a baby of the troop, batter it, pull it limb from limb and eat it. Grim, but it is nature.


xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Nov 18 10:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim
i've always thought of foxes as cat/dog crosses. they have the traits of both.
I though foxes were a cheerleader/model hybrid.

Oh, you meant....furry......4 legged.....nevermind


Ibby  Saturday Nov 18 10:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundae Girl
Chimps will suddenly turn on a baby of the troop, batter it, pull it limb from limb and eat it. Grim, but it is nature.
Like I said, pretty human...


Undertoad  Wednesday Nov 22 11:28 AM

Blood tests debunk cat-puppy claim

Quote:
SAO PAULO, Brazil (Reuters) - Brazil's cat-puppy mystery has been solved.

Blood tests refute a Brazilian woman's claim that her cat had given birth to three puppies, geneticist Adil Pacheco said Tuesday.

Cassia Aparecida de Souza, 18, from a poor neighborhood of Passo Fundo in southern Brazil, said last Friday that her cat Mimi had given birth to the three puppies as well as three kittens, which did not survive.

"People who aren't experts often imagine things," said Pacheco, director of the Institute of Biological Sciences of the University of Passo Fundo. "All the facts contradict her."

Pacheco, who was asked by a local newspaper to conduct a chromosome test to check the spectacular claim which gained wide media attention, said mammals sometimes nursed the young from another species.



Ibby  Wednesday Nov 22 11:37 AM

But... which are they?

Are they cats or dogs?

I'm gonna assume dogs.



Shawnee123  Wednesday Nov 22 11:53 AM

Quote:
"People who aren't experts often imagine things," said Pacheco, director of the Institute of Biological Sciences of the University of Passo Fundo. "All the facts contradict her."
Yeah, more like:

Quote:
"People who eat peyote often imagine things," said Pacheco, director of the Institute of Biological Sciences of the University of Passo Fundo. "All the facts contradict her."



CaliforniaMama  Wednesday Nov 22 05:26 PM

Quote:
"People who aren't experts often imagine things," said Pacheco, director of the Institute of Biological Sciences of the University of Passo Fundo. "All the facts contradict her."
Yeah, but these critters aren't imagined, they're real! They had to come from SOMEwhere.

So no, she's not dumb, just a fraud.

Sigh.


Happy Monkey  Wednesday Nov 22 05:43 PM

A stray could have had a litter on her property, and then been run over when foraging, and her pet could have "adopted" them.

But fraud is more likely.



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