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   Undertoad  Thursday Jan 11 12:25 PM

January 11, 2007: Ewes die of asphyxiation, fright



An unhappy animal shot today. 24 horas en fotos at 20minutos.es has this dreadful one, translated by Bablefish:

Quote:
Event in Huesca. The bodies without life of 300 ewes in a paridera of Loarre, where they died by asphyxia when crowding against one of the walls scared by the presence of tens of vultures.



Beestie  Thursday Jan 11 12:29 PM

Too bad that didn't happen near a country road in Tennessee.



glatt  Thursday Jan 11 12:50 PM

The vultures scared them to death, and then didn't eat them?



Elspode  Thursday Jan 11 02:57 PM

They aren't smelly and rotten enough yet.



lumberjim  Thursday Jan 11 03:18 PM

i don't believe it. sheepshit, i say.

how does an animal asphyxiate under an open sky? much less a hundred or so. you might as well say that they were smote by an angry god.



footfootfoot  Thursday Jan 11 03:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim View Post
i don't believe it. sheepshit, i say.

how does an animal asphyxiate under an open sky? much less a hundred or so. you might as well say that they were smote by an angry god.
An angry god whose smiting arm was sheathed in tens of vultures! And you, a poet no less!


Pie  Thursday Jan 11 03:49 PM

People get crushed to death in a crowd. Sheep are (arguably) stupider than people.



Wombat  Thursday Jan 11 05:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim View Post
how does an animal asphyxiate under an open sky?
They climbed up on top of each other, possibly several layers deep. The ones at the bottom couldn't breathe because of the weight of the others on top crushing down on them.

96 people died the same way at the Hillsborough football disaster in 1989 at Sheffield, England.


Shawnee123  Thursday Jan 11 05:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
The vultures scared them to death, and then didn't eat them?
Maybe they had their fill...I see some bloody torn flesh on some of them.


Hoof Hearted  Thursday Jan 11 07:02 PM

I find it odd that they died in a nice, flat, layer...

I'd say either trampled, and the live animals moved away for the photo...or a low lying gas crept into the solid walled pen and asphyxiated them. I just can't get my mind around trampled. I'd expect them to be 'piled' more and not in a single layer.
hh



lumberjim  Thursday Jan 11 07:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pie View Post
People get crushed to death in a crowd. Sheep are (arguably) stupider than people.
yeah, but a relatively small segment of the huge mass of people was crushed by the press. they didnt ALL die. somethings up here. who farted might be onto it. maybe the vultures could smell the gas, and knew they'd be dead soon, and that's why they arrived in the first place?


footfootfoot  Thursday Jan 11 07:53 PM

Looking at the "ring around the corral" (bad pun) I note the grime, which leads me to wondering if they all made it a habit to congregate and poop in the area. Thermal inversion, methane, and that's HH's creeping gas theory. And methane displacing O2 is asphyxiation if I'm not mistaken.

Plus the mighty arm of the lord smiting with the power of tens of vultures.

However you slice it, ewe wouldn't want to be there.



lumberjim  Thursday Jan 11 07:56 PM

maybe they got a particulary gassey batch of sheepchow [up]tm[/up] and the resultant flatulence was their undoing?



lumberjim  Thursday Jan 11 07:57 PM

how the fuck do you make that little TM ?!



DucksNuts  Thursday Jan 11 08:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim View Post
yeah, but a relatively small segment of the huge mass of people was crushed by the press. they didnt ALL die. somethings up here. who farted might be onto it. maybe the vultures could smell the gas, and knew they'd be dead soon, and that's why they arrived in the first place?
bwuahahaha who farted?

??


milkfish  Thursday Jan 11 09:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by footfootfoot View Post
Looking at the "ring around the corral" (bad pun) I note the grime, which leads me to wondering if they all made it a habit to congregate and poop in the area. Thermal inversion, methane, and that's HH's creeping gas theory. And methane displacing O2 is asphyxiation if I'm not mistaken.
Methane is lighter than air, so would not work for what you propose.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Jan 11 10:16 PM

paridera
1- adj. [Female] fertilizes of any species:
paridera cow.
2- f. Site in which it stops the cattle, specially the wool one.
3- Action and time to give birth the cattle.

Loarre is a villa of the province of Huesca, municipality pertaining to the region Hole of Huesca. It is located to the foot of the mountain range of his own name to 27 km to NOT of Huesca in the A-1206 highway between Bolea and Ayerbe




WabUfvot5  Thursday Jan 11 10:17 PM

They needn't all have suffocated. It says they died of asphyxiation and fright. It's possible the ones in back couldn't breath while the others died from fright. Perhaps their little hearts burst from pumping too fast.



Hoof Hearted  Thursday Jan 11 10:55 PM

Sheep ARE very stupid, however having raised lambs for 4-H and being around large groups of sheep pressing together...they cannot press together (while standing with all 4 feet on the ground) enough to prevent them from being able to breathe. Their wool is a very good buffer between each other, allowing air space and room to expand their lungs.
And while I concur about sheep stupidity...I cannot see that many dying of fright from some large birds. These animals are harried by humans, dogs and various other predators...I've never heard of them dropping dead from fright. Turkeys, on the other hand...

I wonder if someone forgot to WATER these animals and has concocted a story to save their ass.

Also, the ring around the wall is from the lanolin sheep produce getting rubbed on the surface and dust sticking. Check out doorways in barns and such where the animals' bodies rub as they go past...it is always dirty from the oils of their coat and dust.



footfootfoot  Thursday Jan 11 11:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by milkfish View Post
Methane is lighter than air, so would not work for what you propose.
I proposed a thermal inversion which I believe would prevent the methane from rising. But then I also believe a lot of other things too, so take it for what it's worth.


xoxoxoBruce  Friday Jan 12 12:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted
... being around large groups of sheep pressing together...they cannot press together (while standing with all 4 feet on the ground) enough to prevent them from being able to breathe. Their wool is a very good buffer between each other, allowing air space and room to expand their lungs.
In the open, yes. But what about a large flock up against an immovable object? A very large flock to kill 300 ewes.


Hoof Hearted  Friday Jan 12 12:56 AM

The posted picture does not show 300 ewes, and I've seen sheep ranching, shearing, and butchering operations with wooden pens holding hundreds to thousands of sheep crowing each other so tightly the dogs had to walk on the backs of the sheep to get across the pen to do their work of cutting animals out for sorting.

I cannot dispute that the animals are dead, they certainly are, but it seems improbable to me that they died in the manner they are claimed to have...trampoling seems most likely...but again, I find it odd that they are in a single layer and not piled or overlapping.

My reasoning behind thinking sheep could not squeeze other sheep up against an immoveable wall is because of their short legs and lack of leverage and weight. Animals are going to stand. Some will lean, but most will keep their legs under them. It is instinctive. If you are off balance, you could fall and die. Period. All animals want to stand upright to survive. They do not want to be down, and especially upside-down is anathema to them.
I would expect that sheep at the outer edge of a herd WILL press away from whatever is stimulating them. The other sheep (away from the stimulation) are not going to react very much at all. As soon as they are out of sight of the stimulation (stupid sheep) out-of-sight-out-of-mind, they will just stand. Their wool will create the buffer needed to breathe. The few leaning sheep are not enough weight to crush other sheep up against a wall.

These ewes appear to have died where they stood. Asphyxiation from air displacement seems likely, as stated...but I feel poisoning from contaminated feed could also be a likely culprit and could cause them to die en mass in a single layer.
I'd like to know what a necropsy had to say about cause of death...



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Jan 12 04:43 AM

I agree the story and picture don't jib...not 300....not piled. Another tragic victim of Babelfish?



SPUCK  Friday Jan 12 07:33 AM

The problem was one of them tried to light a fart and we got the "Moderator Island effect."



lumberjim  Friday Jan 12 10:23 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by DucksNuts View Post

™??
yeah, that. how?


yesman065  Friday Jan 12 11:38 AM

Um, maybe the ones that didn't die were let out before the picture was taken - just a thought.



BigV  Friday Jan 12 11:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim View Post
how the fuck do you make that little TM ?!
It looks grim, especially given our ban on embedded html. I reckon the best you could do is to make the size = 1, perhaps enclosed in parentheses... Don't know how to superscript it here. Good luck.

(TM)

or

(TM)


Quote:
You will note that there is no Character Entity or Numeric Entity for the character 'trademark' (TM). Unlike characters such as or the TM is simply that, just a T and an M. You can display the trademark with either just TM, with emphasis with a bold face like TM, or in super script like TM (<sup>TM</sup>).



mbrutsch  Friday Jan 12 11:47 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim View Post
yeah, that. how?


ampersand,pound sign,1,5,3,semicolon.


footfootfoot  Friday Jan 12 01:00 PM

huh ™



BigV  Friday Jan 12 01:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by footfootfoot View Post
huh
You can't use like that, footfootfoot, without GWB's permission. fyi.


Hoof Hearted  Friday Jan 12 03:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by yesman065 View Post
Um, maybe the ones that didn't die were let out before the picture was taken - just a thought.
Certainly, if there were survivors...
I don't know how this correlates to the discussion. 300 dead? Not (300) in that picture, and if they were dead, they wouldn't be alive to be let out. Do you mean if they were trampled? The live animals that walked all over the dead ones just walked away while their departed brethren were left behind for the photo op.
I'm not sure what you meant.
hh


Happy Monkey  Friday Jan 12 04:08 PM

If they were crowding against one wall (away from the vultures), presumably (and ironically) the ones closest to the vultures would have been likely to survive.



Iggy  Friday Jan 12 05:00 PM

They were probably trampled and after the "care givers" moved the live animals they spread out the dead so they could count them or something.



Hoof Hearted  Friday Jan 12 08:23 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy View Post
They were probably trampled and after the "care givers" moved the live animals they spread out the dead so they could count them or something.
...that nicely explains the single layer...


lumberjim  Friday Jan 12 08:28 PM

they cook more evenly that way, too



lumberjim  Friday Jan 12 08:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbrutsch View Post


ampersand,pound sign,1,5,3,semicolon.
noshit!

'owdyou learn that, eh?


footfootfoot  Friday Jan 12 09:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigV View Post
You can't use like that, footfootfoot, without GWB's permission. fyi.
HA!™


footfootfoot  Friday Jan 12 09:14 PM

Youse all gonna die of asphyxiation, right?

.



WabUfvot5  Friday Jan 12 09:19 PM

I've never heard of vultures attacking a person but the two I saw feasting on a possum didn't look like something I wanted to mess with. A whole flock of them could be intimidating.



Clodfobble  Friday Jan 12 11:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim
noshit!™

'owdyou learn that, eh?
And if you don't like remembering the &#___; sequence, you can always just hold down ALT+0153 and it'll do the same thing.


footfootfoot  Saturday Jan 13 12:57 AM

for some reason that takes me to the homepage



yesman065  Saturday Jan 13 11:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbrutsch View Post


ampersand,pound sign,1,5,3,semicolon.
@#153;


Shawnee123  Tuesday Jan 16 03:08 PM



Well by golly I never heard of that before!

Can't get the alt one to work, though.



yesman065  Tuesday Jan 16 04:20 PM

I'll just bookmark this page and copy(Ctr+C) and then paste (Ctr+V)it wherever I need





busterb  Tuesday Jan 16 07:12 PM

ALT+0153. For this to work™ use the number pad, with number lock off. ™



lumberjim  Tuesday Jan 16 07:48 PM

›š˜œ™žŸ— ǣ
all kinds of wierd shit in those keys!



lumberjim  Tuesday Jan 16 07:56 PM

alt+

0181
0182
0183
0185
0186
0187
0188
0189
0190
0191
0197
0198
0199
8881 ▒
8882 ▓
8884 ┤

who's got the map of this shit. i could make cool text art.



Happy Monkey  Tuesday Jan 16 08:05 PM

It's Unicode. A semi-subset is the ASCII character set, which you can use by only using three digits with ALT.



monster  Sunday Jan 21 08:01 PM

☺☻♥♦♣♠◘○

hmmm.....


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oooh I like that one :



wolf  Sunday Jan 21 08:28 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim View Post
who's got the map of this shit. i could make cool text art.
That's what the Character Map under Windoze/Accessories/System is for.


yesman065  Sunday Jan 21 08:48 PM

Just askin - How does a thread thats about dead sheep end up at "Windoze/Accessories/System." ?



xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Jan 21 11:26 PM

All good things come to those that wait.



yesman065  Sunday Jan 21 11:55 PM

lol thanks Bruce - I knew I could count on you!



glatt  Thursday Jan 25 01:53 PM

First it's ewes, now it's chickens.


Quote:
Boy's screaming kills chickens
Wednesday, January 24, 2007

Hundreds of chickens have been found dead in eastern China - and a court has ruled that the cause of death was the screaming of a four-year-old boy who in turn had been scared by a barking dog.

According to a local newspaper, the bizarre sequence events began when the boy arrived at a village home in the eastern province of Jiangsu in the summer with his father who was delivering bottles of gas.

A villager was quoted as saying the little boy bent over the hen house window, screaming for a long time, after being scared by the dog.

"One neighbour told police that he had heard the boy's crying that afternoon and another villager confirmed the boy screaming by the hen house window," the newspaper said.

A court ruled the boy's screaming was "the only unexpected abnormal sound" and that the 443 chickens trampled each other to death in fear.

The boy's father was ordered to pay around 117 in compensation to the owner of the chickens.



Sundae  Thursday Jan 25 01:55 PM

Evil vulture child



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