Undertoad Monday Apr 15 02:55 PM
4/15/2002: The next generation, again
Torrere Monday Apr 15 07:39 PM
sleemanj Monday Apr 15 08:32 PM
Xugumad Monday Apr 15 08:49 PM
Personally, I think that the 'explosive girl' doing the peace sign is as meaningful a metaphor for what's going on in the middle east as anything could ever hope to be: if she understands what the sign means that she's making (and it's not just staged propaganda), there's still some hope.
Undertoad Monday Apr 15 09:31 PM
It's the peace sign in the US... elsewhere, it's the Victory sign.
elSicomoro Monday Apr 15 09:49 PM
Torrere Tuesday Apr 16 01:51 AM
Boo at you Undertoad. You just ruined my day's humor =/
Undertoad Tuesday Apr 16 08:42 AM
Sorry man... the world is a tad less ironic and a tad more tragic, eh?
Torrere Tuesday Apr 16 10:34 AM
Joe Tuesday Apr 16 01:52 PM
The bird's the word
And Tuesday Apr 16 03:44 PM
Torrere Tuesday Apr 16 11:25 PM
blowmeetheclown Thursday Apr 18 08:59 AM
Damian Thursday Apr 18 10:53 AM
In an update to this picture, German police are looking for the father of the girl to charge him with "condoning acts of violence."
Nic Name Monday Apr 29 09:47 AM
Manitoadlet Tuesday Apr 30 01:10 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I never realized that Junior Seau was that political...
Undertoad Tuesday Nov 19 12:12 PM
This thread is 7 months old and there is news on it. The father there was sentenced to five months probation and 300 hours community service by a German court. His offense was "condoning criminal acts".
MaggieL Tuesday Nov 19 12:33 PM
Socialism *and* fascism, together again for the first time...
Nic Name Tuesday Nov 19 12:38 PM
Perhaps it's not an issue of free speech vs. inciting hatred, but one of child welfare. There ought to be a law, if there isn't, against using children in such demonstrations in the best interests of the child.
Leus Tuesday Nov 19 02:04 PM
Also, you should try to understand why Germany is so intolerant to any showing of hatred. I believe they even have explicit laws to forbid the Nazi salute...
henry fitch Tuesday Nov 19 03:55 PM
Yeah, imagine being that girl a few years later, in high school say, and some classmate sees that picture on the 'net. This is not good for the girl.
jaguar Tuesday Nov 19 04:38 PM
Germany has very strong laws about these things, kinda understandable. They also have laws that keep thier intel services splintered so they can't form another gestapo unlike somewhere else that comes to mind *coughhomelandcoughsecuritycough*. Decry the draconian laws from Germanys to Malaysia's ISA all you want, your nation is no better, just more subtle.
wolf Tuesday Nov 19 09:11 PM
Tobiasly Tuesday Nov 19 09:27 PM
MaggieL Tuesday Nov 19 09:40 PM
I remeber a Second City skit (*way* back in the early days of Second City...when Alan Arkin was in it, which would be 1960's) which ended with a young German making a refernece to "ze vinal zolution to ze Nazi problem".
I'm *not* in favor of Nazism, or Jihadism, for that matter. But forbidding peaceful expression is just plain wrong. Yet so many socalists are ready to sign right up for it, as long as it suppresses speech *they* don't like. That is just so freaking dangerous.
I *understand* perfectly well why the Germans do it. They feel so guilty about Nazism that they're perfectly willing to embrace fascist principles to make sure it never happens again. *Understanding* that isn't the problem. Butif they'd been a little more careful about fascism the first time around, they wouldn't be flirting with it again now.
Jag, you can cough all you want about Homeland Security...and you're right that there's plenty of "Idiotarians of the Right" signing on with Ridge and Poindexter. But Australia is way ahead of us in outright censorship, with France and Germany not far behind (or perhaps a little ahead)...for all the most high-minded reasons, of course. (I won't ask you to walk a few miles in our sneakers until you've logged some more in your own, though; they're barely broken in. :-) )
And Nic...exactly what kinds of demonstrations do you think it should be illegal to bring your child to? Jihadist? Anti-Jihadist? Anti-US? Anti-Abortion? Pro-choice? Gun Prohibitionist? Second-Amendment Sisters?
Nic Name Tuesday Nov 19 09:43 PM
All of the above. I was actually objecting to using the child in the demonstration rather than the binging to.
juju Tuesday Nov 19 11:18 PM
Leus Wednesday Nov 20 10:48 AM
(That was my $0.1 metaphor of the day)
What I wanted to say in this unfortunated post was it's pretty difficult <b>not</b> to form an opinion about US political ways, no matter where in the world you live.
Nic Name Wednesday Nov 20 12:08 PM
On the other hand, if you wear sneakers all the time you don't have to walk a few miles in sandals to form opinions about the politics of the middle east.