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   Undertoad  Tuesday Mar 27 11:41 AM

March 27, 2007: Propane train derails



I always like images where, when I see them, I don't exactly know what they are until I read the headline or caption. That's what happened here - unless you look at a lot of derailments from above, you won't immediately realize that this is a train, carrying liquid propane, that derailed near Oneida, NY, causing a big explosion.

Then when you read the caption, you look back at the image and say, wow.



Sheldonrs  Tuesday Mar 27 11:55 AM

Why do fuels fall in love?



Shawnee123  Tuesday Mar 27 12:01 PM

:p
You're such a gas!



jinx  Tuesday Mar 27 12:05 PM

Drivin' that train
full of propane
Casey Jones you better...



Sheldonrs  Tuesday Mar 27 12:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
:p
You're such a gas!
I see you got wind of it.


glatt  Tuesday Mar 27 12:08 PM

It's awfully convenient for the cleanup crews that there was a road right there that stopped at the derailment point. Hmmm.



lumberjim  Tuesday Mar 27 12:13 PM

i see a black jesus with his crown of thorns.



glatt  Tuesday Mar 27 12:19 PM

I don't know when this picture was taken, but according to this article, after the initial explosion of a couple cars during impact, all the remaining propane was burned off in a controlled burn done by firefighters. So I'm not sure if this picture is before or after the controlled burn.

Quote:
ONEIDA, N.Y. Firefighters emptied three derailed CSX fuel tankers into a pit Tuesday and set the fuel ablaze to help clear the scene so federal officials can begin their investigation into the cause of Monday's freight train derailment.

The derailed tankers containing liquid propane were emptied because they were too unstable to move, said Oneida Fire Chief Don Hudson.



Shawnee123  Tuesday Mar 27 12:36 PM

"I'm goin' off the rails on a propane train..."



piercehawkeye45  Tuesday Mar 27 12:40 PM

At least it was on land or we would have a mess in our hands.



Beestie  Tuesday Mar 27 12:58 PM

CNN: Authorities are said to be on the lookout for the elusive international propane thief Wo Chin Li allegedly seen blanketing the tracks with Chuck-E-Cheese tokens shortly before the derailment ocurred.



Spexxvet  Tuesday Mar 27 01:01 PM

Who wants to play pick up sticks?



Shawnee123  Tuesday Mar 27 01:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 View Post
At least it was on land or we would have a mess in our hands.

True, luckily ocean trains aren't apt to derail.


Sheldonrs  Tuesday Mar 27 01:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
True, luckily ocean trains aren't apt to derail.
I would think that Ocean Trains would derail even more.


Shawnee123  Tuesday Mar 27 01:39 PM

Yes.



milkfish  Tuesday Mar 27 02:59 PM

"She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie....propane."

They look like a bunch of Estes rocket motors that went off by accident (except that they aren't scattered over a huge area).



BigV  Tuesday Mar 27 03:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by milkfish View Post
--snip--They look like a bunch of Estes rocket motors that went off by accident (except that they aren't scattered over a huge area).
Estes rocket motors OF THE GODS!


elSicomoro  Tuesday Mar 27 03:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumberjim View Post
i see a black jesus with his crown of thorns.
I see...oh, wow...this Rorschach score is gonna be off the scale...


elSicomoro  Tuesday Mar 27 03:28 PM

Fuck...am I gonna have to say it? Jesus fucking Christ...okay...

Wow...look at all those cocks!



Sheldonrs  Tuesday Mar 27 03:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sycamore View Post
Fuck...am I gonna have to say it? Jesus fucking Christ...okay...

Wow...look at all those cocks!
Now that's just perverted. How could you even say such a thing? Shame on you. I try to inject a little class to this place and you negate it by posting this...

Whoa nelly! Look at the uncut cum shooter one on the left!





elSicomoro  Tuesday Mar 27 03:40 PM

Sheldon, I come here expecting you to turn the most inane of subjects into something involving gay men. You greatly disappointed me in this thread, and I hope this is not going to become a trend.




Sheldonrs  Tuesday Mar 27 03:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sycamore View Post
Sheldon, I come here expecting you to turn the most inane of subjects into something involving gay men. You greatly disappointed me in this thread, and I hope this is not going to become a trend.

I'm not gay!!! Why does everyone that knows I take and give it in the ass think I'm gay?!!!!


BigV  Tuesday Mar 27 04:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
I'm not gay!!! Why does everyone that knows I take and give it in the ass think I'm gay?!!!!
**I** don't think you're gay! How could I think such a thing?


Shawnee123  Tuesday Mar 27 05:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
I'm not gay!!! Why does everyone that knows I take and give it in the ass think I'm gay?!!!!

If by gay you mean "funny, friendly, and just plain huggable" then yes, mister, you are gay. :p

Seriously, though, I think you should be less afraid to just be yourself.


Sheldonrs  Tuesday Mar 27 05:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
If by gay you mean "funny, friendly, and just plain huggable" then yes, mister, you are gay. :p

Seriously, though, I think you should be less afraid to just be yourself.
I usually am myself. Role playing costs extra.


BigV  Tuesday Mar 27 05:22 PM

*I* got it the first time.




But not from Sheldonrs.



Flint  Tuesday Mar 27 05:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad View Post
Then when you read the caption, you look back at the image and say, wow.
You're not the boss of what I say when I read the caption and look back at the image.


Kagen4o4  Tuesday Mar 27 05:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
I'm not gay!!! Why does everyone that knows I take and give it in the ass think I'm gay?!!!!

huh, funny, when i looked at the train image i imagined seeing it happen from very high up and what it would have looked like...

a big poof


Sheldonrs  Tuesday Mar 27 05:48 PM

Sometimes a train wreck is just a train wreck.



kerosene  Tuesday Mar 27 10:51 PM

Looks like a bunch of burnt cigarette butts sitting on the rubber moulding of a car.



tw  Tuesday Mar 27 11:36 PM

How big would a seagoing propane train be? Well current post Panamax container ships carry enough containers for a train 62 miles long. Propane and natural gas ships are much larger.



seakdivers  Wednesday Mar 28 01:22 AM

So which end is the front? I would assume that the pileup is the front - but where is the engine car? Is it smooshed under the rest of them?

Weird.



BigV  Wednesday Mar 28 11:08 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by seakdivers View Post
So which end is the front? I would assume that the pileup is the front - but where is the engine car? Is it smooshed under the rest of them?

Weird.
I see cars still on the track to the right, so I presume that the train was traveling from left to right, with the engine leading. I reckon the engine is somewhere in the wreckage since I doubt this was the trailing end of the train and was rear ended.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Mar 29 03:46 PM

Trains have safety couplings so if a car in the middle of the train jumps the track the engineer can cut it loose and book. If the engine is/was on the right then he must have left some, or all, the cars behind.
I'm not sure, but I doubt the engineer can dump cars selectively from the cab.

If the engine was/is on the left, when the cars started jumping the tracks and piling up, it would stop the cars behind them dead, and the engine with or without some cars would get the hell out of there.



glatt  Thursday Mar 29 03:52 PM

I was wondering the same thing. I know if I was an engineer and all that mess happened behind me, I'd uncouple the train and get out of there.



elSicomoro  Thursday Mar 29 07:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
I'm not gay!!! Why does everyone that knows I take and give it in the ass think I'm gay?!!!!
I'm sorry, Shel. I personally thought the Barbra Streisand CDs and impeccably clean house were a dead giveaway. But it turns out that you're just a nerdy straight man. A thousand apologies.


footfootfoot  Thursday Mar 29 08:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
I'm not gay!!! Why does everyone that knows I take and give it in the ass think I'm gay?!!!!
You may not be gay, but you certainly are festive.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Mar 29 11:49 PM

And anyone thinks he's the straight man, I want to see(hear) their comic.



tw  Saturday Mar 31 01:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
I was wondering the same thing. I know if I was an engineer and all that mess happened behind me, I'd uncouple the train and get out of there.
When a train derails, a resulting loss of pneumatics results in all brakes applied on every car and fuel cutoff to the engine. In this case, engineer and conductor heard the problem, looked back, and saw sparks flying. Immediately they applied brakes. A car derailed about 5 seconds later. When the train stopped, they jumped and ran. This is what was reported.

Suspicions fall upon a rail that may have shattered. Apparently this line was inspected only last November by that ultrasonic inspection train (I believe operated by Unisys). But that rail section, for reasons not explained, could not be tested by machine; was inspected manually.

This train was shifting from one rail line to another. IOW, if settlement due to spring thaw had undermined one rail bed, then a car may have tilted and derailed during at that transition. However other reports implied this did not happen.

Trains in this region normally operate at 50 MPH. But due to the rail shift, this train was only moving at 30 MPH. Even with brakes fully applied; appreciate how many cars piled into the derailment until remaining cars could stop.

NY State is becoming concerned with CSX since well over 500 problems have occurred over the past seven years. NY's Governor has opened an investigation of CSX.

Essential to CSX is this line; a major connection to New England. Freight trains must go far north, to Albany, to get around or into NYC. A new proposal would build a tunnel from Jersey City, deep under the Hudson River, to surface in Brooklyn so that NYC can become a shipping port again. Instead shipping is from Newark NJ where freight trains can service ships.


xoxoxoBruce  Saturday Mar 31 12:03 PM

26ish cars at 30mph? And a couple, far off the tracks. That's hard to fathom. I wonder how many cars were pushing into that wreck.
Cut off fuel to the engine? Oil to the diesel generator or electric to the drive motors. Cutting electric would be faster, wouldn't it? Or would that just allow them to freewheel?

Stay the hell off the RR crossings, you wouldn't even slow them down while they squash you.



elSicomoro  Saturday Mar 31 12:05 PM

I remember at one point a few years ago, several people got hit by trains in the Philadelphia area...some of them SEPTA commuter trains, but a couple of Amtrak ones too, IIRC. What the fuck?! Didn't your parents ever teach you to stay off RR tracks?



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