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   Undertoad  Friday Nov 23 10:19 AM

November 23, 2007: Job fair in China







Of course China has too many people, but now it has too many people looking for work or looking to change jobs. The poster at World Stock Markets Live takes these shots as a sign that things are bad, that people can't find work there. His commenters take it another way, that this is productive change... and that everything done in China is done with too many people.

I guess we would know more about this shot if we knew how many jobs were being offered; are companies there hiring by the hundred? Are they placing warm bodies, or actually differentiating between candidates?



LJ  Friday Nov 23 11:11 AM

where's wardo, plick?



Gravdigr  Friday Nov 23 04:47 PM

That looks anuything BUT fair...

(was gonna make a Godzeera joke, butthat's Japan...)



Griff  Friday Nov 23 08:43 PM

That guy, right there, his IQ is 25 points higher than mine. He is screwed.



ZenGum  Saturday Nov 24 06:36 AM

How do you shout "FIRE" in Chinese?

Bwahahahaha....



Sundae  Saturday Nov 24 07:08 AM

Sad - the only thing I could compare that to in the UK is X Factor (Pop Idol) auditions.



whitjohn  Sunday Nov 25 04:39 PM

The really sad part is that parents have sacrificed to send their child to university admonishing them to "study hard, get good grades and get a good job". Upon graduation they are faced with the above because all they learned in college was to pass the exams. They have no marketable skills and no understanding of "problem solving" which western students acquire. I live here and see it everyday!



Cloud  Sunday Nov 25 04:40 PM

no understanding of problem solving? Surely some of those people got degrees in things like computer science or engineering. Isn't problem solving inherent in such disciplines?

What else do they study? I can't imagine their universities teach Western-style humanities, or even business.

And, okay I know this is simplistic, but aren't people just supposed to be provided jobs under communism? I thought that was kind of the point.



ViennaWaits  Sunday Nov 25 05:20 PM

Aren't you glad you use Dial?
Don't you wish everybody did?



Sheldonrs  Sunday Nov 25 07:38 PM

Can you hold my place in line? I need to go to the bathroom.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS THE LINE FOR THE BATHROOM?!!!



richlevy  Sunday Nov 25 08:36 PM

If they form more than one line in front of a table, can the recruiter pick one from column A and one from column B?



whitjohn  Monday Nov 26 11:53 PM

Line? You gotta be kidding!

My office staff laughed at clouds comment about learning problem solving with a computer degree, because we had a newly graduated girl with a degree in computer science and she was bloody hopeless at using even our routine office computer. Her contribution to our brainstorming sessions about business ideas was that they wouldn't work..no matter what the idea. She is no longer with us.
It is completely understandable that cloud would think that China is a communist country. After all, every reference in US news is to "the communist government" or some such other reference to "communist". Friend, you have never seen a more capitalist economy than this one! There is free enterprise everywhere and the economic growth is phenomenal!
Standing in line? NOT in China! The culture here forbids standing in line. It's everyone to the front in every situation whether it's getting on a bus or waiting at a traffic light. Possible exception...to use the womens room at KFC. There is always a line there



rkzenrage  Tuesday Nov 27 03:15 AM

I wouldn't get a job because I would be insane by the time I applied.



Katie  Tuesday Nov 27 11:35 AM

Lucky for the Chinese that they don't seem to suffer from claustrophobia!



lookout123  Tuesday Nov 27 11:39 AM

hi rage, how are you today? *stalking*



Shawnee123  Tuesday Nov 27 12:54 PM

From up here they look like ants.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Nov 27 11:04 PM

And uncles.



TheMercenary  Tuesday Nov 27 11:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by whitjohn View Post
My office staff laughed at clouds comment about learning problem solving with a computer degree, because we had a newly graduated girl with a degree in computer science and she was bloody hopeless at using even our routine office computer. Her contribution to our brainstorming sessions about business ideas was that they wouldn't work..no matter what the idea. She is no longer with us.
It is completely understandable that cloud would think that China is a communist country. After all, every reference in US news is to "the communist government" or some such other reference to "communist". Friend, you have never seen a more capitalist economy than this one! There is free enterprise everywhere and the economic growth is phenomenal!
Standing in line? NOT in China! The culture here forbids standing in line. It's everyone to the front in every situation whether it's getting on a bus or waiting at a traffic light. Possible exception...to use the womens room at KFC. There is always a line there
It may not be a "communist country" but it is a "communist government".


TheMercenary  Tuesday Nov 27 11:48 PM




Razzmatazz13  Tuesday Nov 27 11:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
And uncles.



kerosene  Wednesday Nov 28 11:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud View Post
no understanding of problem solving? Surely some of those people got degrees in things like computer science or engineering. Isn't problem solving inherent in such disciplines?

What else do they study? I can't imagine their universities teach Western-style humanities, or even business.
I worked with a guy straight out of China who had very recently come out of college. He told me that there are 2 paths. Humanities or sciences. What I gathered was that if you are a Chinese science student, you don't learn anything about arts and humanities. Or vice versa. He also said the arts students are primarily female while the science students are mostly male. This is something he had to decide very early, like in the preteen years.

I know who we should ask...where are you, Billy?


Billy  Thursday Nov 29 02:38 AM

I heard the news. To be frank, it also really scared me. It makes me think how I can find a way to upgrade my career. More and more students graduate from colleges. However, the job market does not increase at the same rate as undergraduates. It is not so easy to get the ideal jobs for some students. They donít know how to live so that they rely on the master or doctor programs and choose studying. If you ask them why you choose the post graduation studying, they probably say that I have no reason but want to get jobs easily after graduations.
Chinese government knows that we need higher education with the development and encourages the colleges and universities to recruit more students. The student surplus shows up. From the official data, about 1.2 million students did not get jobs in 6 months after graduation in 2006. In 2007 over 4.2 million students will come out schools. It was estimated that about 2 million students would not get jobs in several months. Now the new season of job fair is coming for 2008. It is really a problem.
On other hand, some young students were born with one-child policy after 1980ís. They had the better lives than the former generations. They donít want to work in the countryside or places with poor conditions.
There are many reasons to explain the problem. No one can give a solution for it. The students will understand it well after are rejected for interviews. I think China should learn some from our neighbors, South Korea and Japan. They have the similar problems as us, but they run the business globally and create big job markets.
With high recruitment, the schools expand quickly in several years with limited resources. From my experiences, the education quality is falling gradually. They make us from the education flow lines with the similar textbooks and process. If they gave me one packaging box with a label MADE IN CHINA, I would be 100% Chinese commodity for export. :-)
The employers say that it is difficult to find the right potential people from the mountains and seas of students. It is one of the reasons that more and more foreign companies start to open the research centers or business in China. The employees are very cheap for them. The average salary of new graduates decreased in the recent years.
We divide into science and liberal arts for college admission test in high school. Students choose the courses based their result and interest. I donít think that they know well about the majors of colleges before enter because the communication between students of high schools and colleges are quiet little. The society donít provide them plenty materials. In the college it is very difficult to change majors after you enter. I found out that I did not like my major so much then and had to finish it.
There is no PERFECT THING in the world. If there is a problem, the new solution will come out. It takes some time or hurts. ONLY YOU can find your way to get out. I think China is on the way and working on it.

P.S.: I am also looking for a job chance in Europe now. Heehee



Gravdigr  Thursday Nov 29 08:59 AM

That's the longest post I've ever seen here in the cellar...



Billy  Thursday Nov 29 09:36 AM

XOXO let me check the post. I have many thoughts to say about the topic. Spent a while to write it last night.



morie  Thursday Nov 29 09:57 AM

JOB POSTING

Employees wanted, citizens of China need not apply, dark skinned citizens of China preferred

Positions: Anarchists to topple the Chinese government

Salary: a bullet in the head, possibly, and the chance to know you did something idealistic for your country

Contact:

Morie
www.anthology.page.tl



Clodfobble  Thursday Nov 29 10:55 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gravdigr
That's the longest post I've ever seen here in the cellar...
Gotta expand your horizons beyond the IOTD! There's actually a maximum limit per post (that is easily four or five times as long as Billy's post, believe it or not,) and tw has on more than one occasion had to break his dissertations into three separate posts.


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Nov 29 11:37 AM

Thanks for the quick reply, Billy.



kerosene  Thursday Nov 29 05:27 PM

Thanks, Billy...I appreciate all of your insight on this subject. I was not sure if you would catch my call for ya, but I am glad you did! What kind of work do you want to do?



Cloud  Thursday Nov 29 05:29 PM

Billy--yes, we appreciate an "insiders" viewpoint. Don't take the silly stuff we say on here as meaning anything.



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Nov 29 11:23 PM

He doesn't. He replied to my email right away but said he was at work and would put some time into it when he got home. He certainly did.



beauregaardhooligan  Saturday Dec 1 09:57 AM

I was gonna put this in the WTF thread, but this seems to fit better.




ZenGum  Saturday Dec 1 10:43 AM

Typical bloody workmen, one guy working, and three standing around doing sod all.



Billy  Saturday Dec 1 05:56 PM

For now it is a work training as a intern. I am not sure if I can get the offer after it ends. On some aspects, I don't like it. Now I found that I fall in love with different culture. Europe is a ideal place for work and learning.
Please send me one message with your email if you want to try my luck of job. I would like send my C.V. to you.



ViennaWaits  Saturday Dec 1 08:06 PM

Quote:
Typical bloody workmen, one guy working, and three standing around doing sod all.
Gotta be a woman; even if she *is* in a man's body.




SPUCK  Saturday Dec 8 05:20 AM

Actually if you look at the moment arm only one guy is required.. So they are being 'extra' safe.



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