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   xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Jun 18 12:09 PM

June 18, 2008: Fire & Water

Fire and water are both, friend and foe.

In a California wildfire, a melted stream of metal, probably aluminum, from a burned vehicle.


In Iowa, water sweeps away people's dreams.


While it's nice to help people in China and Indonesia, don't forget the people here at home.



footfootfoot  Wednesday Jun 18 12:12 PM

A house sieve!



ajaccio  Wednesday Jun 18 12:27 PM

OMG - a logjam of houses! I didn't know that houses would float so neatly. So sad, you can still see lawn chairs and furniture on their decks waiting for someone to come relax. There certainly is devastation happening world-wide...



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Slothboy  Wednesday Jun 18 01:24 PM

I can see my house from here.

And yours.

And the neighbor from six streets over.



HungLikeJesus  Wednesday Jun 18 01:26 PM

House boats!



hulk  Wednesday Jun 18 02:36 PM

The neighbors always did complain about those train tracks going right through their backyard!



Gravdigr  Wednesday Jun 18 03:38 PM

And, yet, Old Glory, in the midst of such destruction, flying as proud as ever.



dar512  Wednesday Jun 18 03:45 PM

This page has more pictures of the flood in Cedar Rapids and has more context than I've seen elsewhere.



artemis05  Thursday Jun 19 01:11 AM

my birthday was the 12th... i spent it filling sand bags and helping friends empty basements while standing in flood water half way up my calve.

most people don't realize how bad cedar rapids got...

all the bars i was going to go to were flooded, so i dropped to my knees and started yelling "no!! the liquor!"



newtimer  Thursday Jun 19 04:06 AM

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touchnova  Thursday Jun 19 04:17 AM

Lead, not aluminum

That's lead that melted from the cells in the battery, not aluminum.



SPUCK  Thursday Jun 19 05:27 AM

Yeah Pb as it is coming right out from the stairs, (battery box).


I think most people realize how bad Cider Rapids got it. That's the city hall with the first three floors underwater that's shown on every news show..



stevecrm  Thursday Jun 19 07:14 AM

so sad to see such destruction, just shows us that we cannot beat nature.



Skylight  Thursday Jun 19 07:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by artemis05 View Post
all the bars i was going to go to were flooded, so i dropped to my knees and started yelling "no!! the liquor!"
why is the rum always gone..

due to floods i suppose



happy birthday for the 12th - i hope despite the devistation you still had a decent celebration.


SeanAhern  Saturday Jun 28 12:00 PM

Hm. I still think it's aluminum. The color seems more like the lighter color of aluminum than lead. And I've personally seen this kind of thing in the aftermath of a car fire. I picked up the cooled blob and it definitely had the weight of aluminum, not lead.



Bullitt  Sunday Jun 29 01:34 AM

Headin to CA tomorrow for two weeks for some fire fightin.. wish me luck!



xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Jun 29 01:36 AM

Wear your fireproof underwear.



Griff  Sunday Jun 29 12:51 PM

Rock on Bullit!



Big Sarge  Sunday Jun 29 01:53 PM

I'm pretty sure that is lead, too. I've cast a lot of bullets & it looks too light.

Be careful Bullit. I sure wouldn't want your job. I have a fear of burning



xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Jun 29 04:58 PM

Too light, Sarge?



Big Sarge  Sunday Jun 29 05:29 PM

Too light in color unless casting pure, which wouldn't be the case with the impurities associated with an auto fire. That doesn't even take in account the frosting



xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Jun 29 05:33 PM

So you think it's lead, because it's too light to be aluminum?



Big Sarge  Monday Jun 30 02:04 AM

Nope. You have misunderstood. It is aluminum because it is too light in color to be lead.



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Jun 30 10:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Sarge View Post
I'm pretty sure that is lead, too. I've cast a lot of bullets & it looks too light.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Sarge View Post
Nope. You have misunderstood. It is aluminum because it is too light in color to be lead.
Oh, OK.


Big Sarge  Monday Jun 30 10:12 AM

Argghhh. See how the voices in my head make me screw up. LOL

Ok. The cooled molten metal is likely aluminum based upon the color. I cast lead bullets at a 20:1 ratio, and the metal in the picture doesn't look like lead. This is especially true considering the impurities that would be present if it was lead from a battery comingled with other elements. Plus there is no sign of frosting such as would have occurred with the ground/pavement being a different temp.

Make sense now? Lord, I hope so.



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Jun 30 10:14 AM

Yeah, I thought that's what you meant.



Sundae  Monday Jun 30 10:36 AM

So hang on, you're saying it's lead, right?



Big Sarge  Monday Jun 30 11:13 AM

OMG. I give up.



Bullitt  Monday Jun 30 03:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Griff View Post
Rock on Bullit!
Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
Wear your fireproof underwear.
We're heading to Big Sur, CA for the Basin Complex Fire. We're not even to Reno yet and already the smoke is limiting visibility to just a few miles.. this is gonna be interesting.


lookout123  Monday Jun 30 03:44 PM

ice chips. if you find yourself anyplace where you can't keep an icechip from melting in your hand, you're too close to the fire. get out and let us know you're ok.



classicman  Monday Jun 30 09:26 PM

Bullit - keep us informed - we want to know you are ok and whats going on. Be careful out there.



xoxoxoBruce  Monday Jun 30 11:18 PM

The Philly paper today, said they don't expect to have the Northern CA fires, completely under control for months.



Bullitt  Tuesday Jul 1 12:47 AM

Thanks guys. We just got a little more info tonight.. this thing is getting pretty big. Over 80 engines, 90 or so hand crews, 7 choppers, 7 planes, and over 1000 other personnel. We get to play with our big type IV engine for this one though.. eye level is about where the door handle is... 1000 gallon tank on this big ol girl:



Tomorrow evening we check in with IC, Incident Command, and get our orders, etc. So after tonight, I don't know exactly when I'll be back on here.. soon I hope, and def. with pictures. We might be doing some urban interface protecting houses and other structures.. we'll see though.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jul 1 01:27 AM

Be careful man, after all it's only CA.



Griff  Tuesday Jul 1 08:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
Be careful man, after all it's only CA.
While it is only CA, it is Big Sur the cool subsection of CA.
This is all over the news Bullit, be safe.


TheMercenary  Tuesday Jul 1 08:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
Be careful man, after all it's only CA.
, yea be careful out there. And only save homes where the combined gross income is less than 150k.


spudcon  Tuesday Jul 1 09:12 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary View Post
, yea be careful out there. And only save homes where the combined gross income is less than 150k.
Commie


xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Feb 10 03:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by touchnova View Post
That's lead that melted from the cells in the battery, not aluminum.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPUCK View Post
Yeah Pb as it is coming right out from the stairs, (battery box).


I think most people realize how bad Cider Rapids got it. That's the city hall with the first three floors underwater that's shown on every news show..
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanAhern View Post
Hm. I still think it's aluminum. The color seems more like the lighter color of aluminum than lead. And I've personally seen this kind of thing in the aftermath of a car fire. I picked up the cooled blob and it definitely had the weight of aluminum, not lead.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Sarge View Post
I'm pretty sure that is lead, too. I've cast a lot of bullets & it looks too light.

Be careful Bullit. I sure wouldn't want your job. I have a fear of burning
From the Aussie fires, melted alloy wheels.


TheMercenary  Tuesday Feb 10 11:18 PM

I wonder if we have sent any of our smoke jumpers or fire fighters to help? My wifes hair dresser is a Smoke Jumper.



Aliantha  Tuesday Feb 10 11:27 PM

I know NZ have sent a couple of crews and some much needed equipment including a water chopper.

I would imagine that US crews would be coming if they're not already here. There's usually a bit of quid pro quo. I know we usually send crews when you lot have fires.

ETA:

Quote:
US fire experts heading for Victoria
10/02/2009 9:18:00 AM
A contingent of senior US fire personnel is expected to land in Victoria within 48 hours after an SOS call from the Australian government.
About 35 American firefighting operation chiefs, aviation managers, planning section chiefs and specialists in land rehabilitation will fly to Australia.

"Australia and New Zealand have been wonderful neighbours and provided help in our time of need and we are happy to return that help," US National Interagency Fire Center spokesman Don Smurthwaite said.

Australia, New Zealand and US firefighting agencies have a close working relationship and have participated in exchange programs in recent years.

On the weekend Australian and US government officials held informal discussions about calling on American fire personnel.

A formal request for assistance is expected Monday.

It is expected once the formal request is issued it will take about 48 hours to have the US contingent on the ground in Australia.

The deployment will not include firefighters to be used on the fire fronts.

"The positions will be mostly leadership and supervisory in nature," Smurthwaite said.

"We won't be sending firefighters at this point."



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