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   xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Feb 8 02:47 AM

Feb 8, 2009: Wind Farm

Mexico recently had an inauguration ceremony also.
But not for a politician, their inauguration ceremony was for a $550 million wind farm to offset their falling oil production.

If the Mexican government wants to build something successfully, the same three rules apply to them as everyone else.
Of course anybody can tell you those three rules are location, location, location.



For a (successful) wind farm you need a spot where the wind blows and it looks to me like they got that right.
The petticoats, the man hanging onto his hat, the bent trees, and the dust off the dirt road, make me think this is a good spot.
I imagine the had the turbines shut down for the ceremony because they're noisy and sometimes toss dead bird parts about.

Link



SPUCK  Sunday Feb 8 05:44 AM

They turn pretty slowly so the camera probably stopped them.

Quote:
Local residents, largely Zapotec Indians, are accustomed to foreigners' coveting their land. The United States demanded rights to transport goods over the isthmus in the 1850s, and foreigners tried to build a railway alternative to the Panama Canal there.
If they had half a brain they would build a railroad across there.. Yachting cruisers would do that in GREAT preference to the now expensive, slow, and large hassle factor, presented by The Canal.


sweetwater  Sunday Feb 8 08:44 AM

The wind turbine generators are fairly quiet, except in higher winds - then the blades are feathered to help avoid damage. Though I see conflicting reports on bird deaths caused by the spinning blades, one article recently showed that bats can be killed sometimes if they fly into the area of low pressure caused by their rapid movement. Link.



Sundae  Sunday Feb 8 09:51 AM

When I lived in a little village (in a little house) we saw bats every summer evening. I don't know if they hibernate, just that we didn't stand outside for the rest of the year.

Of all the things I miss about that time of my life - and they are many - I think it's the bats that are the most poignant.



Griff  Sunday Feb 8 10:18 AM

Note to self: Take bat pics for Cherry next summer.



gozar  Sunday Feb 8 11:34 AM

In the article, the locals are upset that they are not more involved. Why don't they form a cooperative, and build a few wind generators for themselves? I know - times are tough, they are probably dirt poor etc, but there are ways to get these things done.



Gravdigr  Sunday Feb 8 04:18 PM

On a wind farm, do you have to water the wind, do you irrigate, or what?

And if you use cow shit to fertilize terrestrial crops, can you use cattle farts for fertilizer on a wind farm?



Shawnee123  Sunday Feb 8 05:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundae Girl View Post
When I lived in a little village (in a little house) we saw bats every summer evening. I don't know if they hibernate, just that we didn't stand outside for the rest of the year.

Of all the things I miss about that time of my life - and they are many - I think it's the bats that are the most poignant.
In my old apartment, on any given night, you could see bats. Flying over your head, as you were watching TV. Cats chasing them like "this is fun." Not fun for me.


Aliantha  Sunday Feb 8 05:33 PM

The whole argument about birds and windfarms seems pretty stupid to me if it's coming from anyone who drives a car or has ever flown in a plane, and I doubt there's too many greenies who don't fly in planes or travel by car or bus. Far more birds are killed by humans transporting themselves around than are killed by windfarms (at least in Australia).



Aliantha  Sunday Feb 8 05:34 PM

We have lots of bats here, but one of the most prolific is the fruit bat. The bain of every fruit growers existance! And the little buggers are protected too. Currently they're causing a lot of problems for our stone fruit and apple farmers in Stanthorpe.

I think the farmers should be allowed to shoot them.



Shawnee123  Sunday Feb 8 05:35 PM

In my experience, that would have to be one sharp shooter. Those things flail about with no rhyme nor reason.



Aliantha  Sunday Feb 8 05:36 PM

Use a shot gun mate.



Shawnee123  Sunday Feb 8 05:37 PM

Eh, I probably couldn't hit the broad side of a...um, bat.



Aliantha  Sunday Feb 8 05:37 PM

Actually, we had a neighbour once who used to shoot plenty of them with a .22 rifle...till he tried walking down the main road with it to one of the other neighbours houses to shoot their bats for them.

The police came. Fear ensued. Guns were confiscated. Bats had a party.



WillieO  Sunday Feb 8 06:24 PM

It's an old joke, but if we're looking for a lot of wind, why don't we put them suckers up around Washington D.C.? And speaking of politicans, what happened to T. Boone Pickens plan to save on oil consumption and rescue the U.S. economy with wind? We heard pleanty of it proir the election but now? That was one guy I would have voted for.



classicman  Sunday Feb 8 06:53 PM

Maybe all his money was with Madoff...



monster  Sunday Feb 8 07:37 PM

hey look, if we zoom in, it's almost like you can see the breeze.........twisting through the twurbines



sandypossum  Sunday Feb 8 07:44 PM

We had a microbat flying round our lounge room last night. We thought it was a moth for a while - it was smaller than the palm of my hand. It came in through the cat flap, which was uncovered at the time. It would stop occasionally and hang from a shelf or the curtain rails, so we got a good look at it. At least they're easy to get back outside.



sweetwater  Sunday Feb 8 07:48 PM

The turbines are generating plenty of electricity here in T.Boone-land, but the infrastructure required to 'pipe' all of it to where it is needed is, for now, lacking. Momentum is building to get it matched to production, but I don't see evidence of progress yet. The landowners around here are paid per post regardless of production. I have heard $2,000 per post per year but have not seen that documented.



Aliantha  Sunday Feb 8 07:49 PM

Do microbats carry the lissa virus? I don't know, but I hope you were careful if you had to handle it sandy.



sweetwater  Sunday Feb 8 08:20 PM

A little slice of Texas: cotton modules and some of the thousands of wind turbine generators. No people. No blasted birds. No exploded bats. At least, not until one of you talented folk 'shop them in!




classicman  Sunday Feb 8 08:32 PM

Then what are all those feathers on the ground from?



Nirvana  Sunday Feb 8 08:36 PM

note to self: tell Bruce he is off by one month on two image threads



sweetwater  Sunday Feb 8 08:37 PM

Those are cotton balls.
(cuz we don't want our teddy bears reproducing)



sweetwater  Sunday Feb 8 08:38 PM

Quote:
Then what are all those feathers on the ground from?
Those are cotton balls.
(cuz we don't want our teddy bears reproducing)


xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Feb 8 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
note to self: tell Bruce he is off by one month on two image threads
Damn! Uh, well, I, um... wanted to see if youse guys was paying attention, Yeah, that's it, a test. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.


TheMercenary  Monday Feb 9 10:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aliantha View Post
The whole argument about birds and windfarms seems pretty stupid to me if it's coming from anyone who drives a car or has ever flown in a plane, and I doubt there's too many greenies who don't fly in planes or travel by car or bus. Far more birds are killed by humans transporting themselves around than are killed by windfarms (at least in Australia).
We are getting the same arguments here from the tree huggers. There is a risk benifit ratio in most of these decisions. I vote for non-oil/nuclear based energy forms. And then of course you have Kennedy family and their support of wind farms as long as it is NIMBY.


classicman  Monday Feb 9 01:14 PM

I can't wait to look over the landscape and see nothing but miles of these beautiful windmills.



Shawnee123  Monday Feb 9 01:19 PM

I submit they're purtier than oil rigs.



Aliantha  Monday Feb 9 05:00 PM

Over here the debate rages between those who don't want them because they'll kill the birds, or because they'll look unsightly. Then there are the proponents who fight each other to get them in their back yards so the govt has to pay them and not their neighbour (and they're paid very very well).



kerosene  Monday Feb 9 05:16 PM

We have a plant here that makes the blades. I am trying to get a job there.



TheMercenary  Monday Feb 9 06:24 PM

I have been looking at some home models for my future property.

http://www.mdpub.com/Wind_Turbine/index.html



classicman  Monday May 24 03:58 PM

bumper crop here.

Wind farm announced for Lake Erie, could produce 1,000 megawatts by 2020

Quote:
Wind farms have started popping up around the states -- including one off Rehoboth Beach -- and if the Lake Erie Energy Development Corp has its way, twenty megawatts of power will be generated off the coast of Ohio beginning in late 2012. The direct drive wind turbines, each generating four megawatts of power, will be supplied and maintained by General Electric, who designed them especially for off-shore use.
Link



Offshore wind power park to energize Delaware homes
Quote:
The entire state of Delaware won't be 100-percent wind-powered after Bluewater Wind constructs a $1.6 billion wind park just off its shore, but the state will be able to "light about 50,000 homes a year" for the duration of the 25-year contract. Said agreement was just nailed down between the aforesaid firm and Delmarva Power, and it hopes to start powering homes via wind by 2012. The offshore site will sit around 12 miles off Rehoboth Beach, with a number of turbines to be planted 90-feet into the sea floor and sport three blades apiece measuring 150-feet long. It's noted that vacationers and locals alike won't be able to notice the park from the beach except on a few remarkably clear days, but if their energy bills sink because of it, we don't really think they'll mind, anyway.
Link

Very cool. Aside from the obvious benefits, apparently there are certain species of fish that like to congregate around these farms as well. Some of which are great game fish.


glatt  Monday May 24 04:07 PM

And they don't leak freaking oil all over the coast.



classicman  Monday May 24 07:00 PM

I was counting that in the "obvious benefits" part - but yeh that too!



HungLikeJesus  Monday May 24 08:03 PM

I never really thought of Ohio as having a coast.

Also, this is a commonly misused term: "light about 50,000 homes a year."



spudcon  Monday May 24 09:04 PM

But, what about the naysayers who think we'll all have epileptic fits if we look at them?
There are windfarms sprouting up all around the hilltops here, and so far, no bird losses, no noise pollution and no epilepsy epidemics.
We do have a similar problem here that the Taxachusetts folks had. New York City and Long Island want electricity, but they want upstate to handle the generation and infrastructure, and to pay higher rates so they don't have to.



classicman  Monday May 24 09:27 PM

A few lost birds is a small price to pay. There will just be that many less to shit on cars and eat glatt's mulberries.
The only birds that these will take out are seagulls - Personally, I consider that another benefit.



HungLikeJesus  Tuesday May 25 12:30 AM

This was bugging me so I looked it up (dictionary.com): ľnoun
1.the land next to the sea; seashore: the rocky coast of Maine.

So, what counts as a sea?
ľnoun
1.the salt waters that cover the greater part of the earth's surface.
2.a division of these waters, of considerable extent, more or less definitely marked off by land boundaries: the North Sea.
3.one of the seven seas; ocean.
4.a large lake or landlocked body of water

Ah, Lake Erie certainly meets definition 4, so I was wrong. Ohio does have a coast.



Shawnee123  Tuesday May 25 01:29 PM

HLJ, have you ever been near Lake Erie? It looks like an ocean, and the winds might rival the sea.

:seafaringsmilie:



Pie  Tuesday May 25 01:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
HLJ, have you ever been near Lake Erie? It looks like an ocean, and the winds might rival the sea.

:seafaringsmilie:
Aaaah, the "Mistake by the Lake". How I remember it. Bitterly.

Pie, Cleveland survivor, 1992-1996


Brett's Honey  Thursday May 27 11:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundae Girl View Post
When I lived in a little village (in a little house) we saw bats every summer evening.
A friend of mine from Ohio once spoke of summer evenings when her sister and her would tie hot dog pieces onto a stick and swing them around up toward trees to catch bats. When she asked me if I enjoyed doing that as a child, she could tell by the look on my face that I had never heard of such a thing!

As for the windmills - while driving down Interstate 35 I've seen semi trucks hauling those windmill blades. I had no idea how HUGE they were until I saw that one blade covers the 53' semi flat-bed trailer all the way from the front to the back.


glatt  Thursday May 27 12:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett's Honey View Post
while driving down Interstate 35 I've seen semi trucks hauling those windmill blades. I had no idea how HUGE they were until I saw that one blade covers the 53' semi flat-bed trailer all the way from the front to the back.
I saw a ship going up the Hudson river with a bunch of those blades on it. they were enormous.


Pie  Thursday May 27 01:20 PM

Nice!



kerosene  Thursday May 27 11:09 PM

They make those just a couple of miles down the road from me.



spudcon  Friday May 28 10:50 AM

Yup, once enough of them are built, they morph into Tripods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIlHoHiL4xE



SPUCK  Saturday May 29 07:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brett's Honey View Post
As for the windmills - while driving down Interstate 35 I've seen semi trucks hauling those windmill blades. I had no idea how HUGE they were until I saw that one blade covers the 53' semi flat-bed trailer all the way from the front to the back.
That's short!

Try 413 foot blade length for the Enercon E-126... as in 126 meters!


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