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   ZenGum  Tuesday Mar 10 11:52 PM

Mar 11, 2009: The Bailout

I received these pictures and the accompanying text via email, with nothing to identify the original author. Since it was so well done I am going to copy it here, and the author can make themselves known if they wish. The cellar will only let me do four pics at a time so this will have to be over two posts.

The Bailout

All this talk about "stimulus packages" and "bailouts"...

A billion dollars...

A hundred billion dollars...

Eight hundred billion dollars...

One TRILLION dollars...

What does that look like? I mean, these various numbers are tossed around like so many doggie treats, so I thought I'd take Google Sketchup out for a test drive and try to get a sense of what exactly a trillion dollars looks like.

We'll start with a $100 dollar bill. Currently the largest U.S. denomination in general circulation. Most everyone has seen them, slighty fewer have owned them. Guaranteed to make friends wherever they go.


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A packet of one hundred $100 bills is less than 1/2" thick and contains $10,000. Fits in your pocket easily and is more than enough for week or two of shamefully decadent fun.


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Believe it or not, this next little pile is $1 million dollars (100 packets of $10,000). You could stuff that into a grocery bag and walk around with it.


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While a measly $1 million looked a little unimpressive, $100 million is a little more respectable. It fits neatly on a standard pallet...


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ZenGum  Tuesday Mar 10 11:55 PM

And $1 BILLION dollars... now we're really getting somewhere...


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Next we'll look at ONE TRILLION dollars. This is that number we've been hearing so much about. What is a trillion dollars? Well, it's a million million. It's a thousand billion. It's a one followed by 12 zeros.

You ready for this?

It's pretty surprising.

Go ahead...

Scroll down...

Ladies and gentlemen... I give you $1 trillion dollars..


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(And notice those pallets are double stacked.)

So the next time you hear someone toss around the phrase "trillion dollars"... that's what they're talking about.



classicman  Tuesday Mar 10 11:57 PM

and 10 pallets makes a billion - you'd need how many of those to make a trillion then????



lumberjim  Wednesday Mar 11 12:00 AM

holy fuck



classicman  Wednesday Mar 11 12:05 AM

don't forget those are stacks of HUNDRED dollar bills too.



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Mar 11 12:09 AM

So were the three plane loads of pallets that went to Iraq.



Shawnee123  Wednesday Mar 11 12:11 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
don't forget those are stacks of HUNDRED dollar bills too.
Yes, we were able to follow along with the illustrations.


classicman  Wednesday Mar 11 12:24 AM

well aren't you just the schmarty pants of the group? (insert applicable smilie here)



Shawnee123  Wednesday Mar 11 12:24 AM

Often.



classicman  Wednesday Mar 11 12:26 AM

lol



Leokins  Wednesday Mar 11 02:09 AM

Makes me really wonder why so many people have to live homeless, without food, clothes, in poverty, when such large amounts are just thrown around for random and often poorly managed purposes.

For some reason the imagery of the snake eating it's own tail comes to mind. Only maybe the snake is made of gold and bureaucracy, and all the people on the outside can do is watch it go round and round and pick up what little pieces of gold poo it leaves behind....
Yeah I'm really tired, I'll cease my prattle now :P



spudcon  Wednesday Mar 11 07:14 AM

When all of this bailout, stimulus and recovery money is spent, there will be 9 trillion dollars on the red side of the ledger. We probably haven't got the facilities to print that much worthless paper.



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Mar 11 07:19 AM

That's the beauty of it, they don't even have to print the stuff. It's just 1s and 0s in the computer.



Leus  Wednesday Mar 11 07:57 AM

This is the original, "A Little Perspective on $87 billion:"

http://87billion.com/



Scriveyn  Wednesday Mar 11 08:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
... We probably haven't got the facilities to print that much worthless paper.
Shouldn't be a problem:


sweetwater  Wednesday Mar 11 08:32 AM

With growing numbers like these, you coulda/shoulda waited until Saturday to publish this post - Saturday being Pi Day (also an irrational number, though it's a far happier thing than all those pallets of cash)
And yes, I celebrate Pi Day.



Trilby  Wednesday Mar 11 08:39 AM

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Pie Day....



oh,wait....



Sheldonrs  Wednesday Mar 11 09:55 AM

Sure it's big. But can it get hard?



Coign  Wednesday Mar 11 10:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
Sure it's big. But can it get hard?
I don't know, but I know I am getting f***ed by it.


Sheldonrs  Wednesday Mar 11 10:40 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coign View Post
I don't know, but I know I am getting f***ed by it.
Then you'll be ready for me. Muahahahaha


birdclaw  Wednesday Mar 11 10:50 AM

That's it. I am no longer using paper money. Dubloons or nothing from here on out. (couldn't find a pirate)



Trilby  Wednesday Mar 11 11:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by birdclaw View Post
That's it. I am no longer using paper money. Dubloons or nothing from here on out. (couldn't find a pirate)
Maybe we should go to a monkey-based economy? Not a lot of people have monkeys....


Sheldonrs  Wednesday Mar 11 01:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianna View Post
Maybe we should go to a monkey-based economy? Not a lot of people have monkeys....
I can see it now:

"You're bill comes to 47 spider monkeys and 3 Rhesus"

"Do you have change for a Baboon?"


HungLikeJesus  Wednesday Mar 11 02:27 PM

So change for a Rhesus would be Rhesus pieces?



Sheldonrs  Wednesday Mar 11 02:29 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus View Post
So change for a Rhesus would be Rhesus pieces?
Or Rhesus Pieces of Eight. Argh!!!


wolf  Wednesday Mar 11 02:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetwater View Post
With growing numbers like these, you coulda/shoulda waited until Saturday to publish this post - Saturday being Pi Day (also an irrational number, though it's a far happier thing than all those pallets of cash)
And yes, I celebrate Pi Day.
One of my friends is hosting a Pi-rate party on Pi day.

It is slated to begin around 3-ish (which would be the 15th hour ...)


Trilby  Wednesday Mar 11 02:44 PM

nerds nerds nerdy-nerd-nerd-nerds



Elspode  Wednesday Mar 11 06:51 PM

Money, schmunny. I want to know more about that Google thingamajig where you did that. Brilliant job, Bruce.



ZenGum  Wednesday Mar 11 07:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elspode View Post
Money, schmunny. I want to know more about that Google thingamajig where you did that. Brilliant job, Bruce.


Oh and click the link.


TheMercenary  Wednesday Mar 11 09:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scriveyn View Post
Shouldn't be a problem:
I'll take two. Here is 25 cents.


hipshot  Wednesday Mar 11 11:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leokins View Post
Makes me really wonder why so many people have to live homeless, without food, clothes, in poverty, when such large amounts are just thrown around for random and often poorly managed purposes.

For some reason the imagery of the snake eating it's own tail comes to mind. Only maybe the snake is made of gold and bureaucracy, and all the people on the outside can do is watch it go round and round and pick up what little pieces of gold poo it leaves behind....
Yeah I'm really tired, I'll cease my prattle now :P

"Little pieces of gold poo..."? That's on the verge of poetic...or something...


Leokins  Wednesday Mar 11 11:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by hipshot View Post
"Little pieces of gold poo..."? That's on the verge of poetic...or something...
Why thank you, I'm known as the best crap poet around. -> A pun and an oxymoron, aren't I awesome? :p


xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Mar 12 01:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elspode View Post
Money, schmunny. I want to know more about that Google thingamajig where you did that. Brilliant job, Bruce.
Moi? Nay nay, ZenGum posted the email that was going around last week, in which the author linked to the Google thingamajig he used to create the illustrations.

I did however find this;
Quote:
Therefore, a trillion dollars is ten billion (1010) $100 dollar bills, corresponding to a stack of bills 1200 km or 740 miles high! If the bills were $1 bills, there would be1012 (a trillion) of them, and they’d form a stack 74,000 miles high, or 30% the distance to the Moon!
Suppose the bills were joined end-to-end. Dollar bills are about 6 inches or 15 cm long, so 10 billion $100 dollar bills would form a belt 1.5 x 106 (1.5 million) km long. That’s about 900,000 miles long, almost four times the Earth-Moon distance.
And if you string a trillion $1 bills end-to-end, you’d get a belt o’ bills a hundred times longer than that, or about 90 million miles. You’re past Mars’s orbit and entering the asteroid belt going away from the Sun, and in the other direction, you’ve about reached the Sun!
My post referred to the 363 tons of $100 bills shipped to Iraq.


ZenGum  Thursday Mar 12 01:56 AM

It just occured to me that Elspode might have been right. All I did was copy and paste from an email I received. I don't nkow who actually worked all that out, but it might well have been a person named Bruce. Who knows?

And I was wondering when we'd see the stats you just provided, about the money going to or past the moon and such. That is the normal comparison, although that is a bit silly cause virtually none of us really know how far it is to the moon.



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Mar 12 02:05 AM

Maybe, but I'd guess he just fucked up. Too many lovely women in his life, no time to stop and read the details.

Uh, "normal comparison"? What could be normal about attempting to describe a trillion dollars? I mean it ain't like discussing whether you do the across or down first in the daily crossword puzzle.



ZenGum  Thursday Mar 12 06:31 AM

By normal comparison I meant that there are various standard comparisons that are widely used:
Smaller than a human hair/fingernail
Bigger than a tennis court/soccer field
Taller than the Statue of Liberty
Enough [water] to fill an Olympic swimming pool (or Sydney Harbour, down under)
Either piled up or laid end to end, would go around the world X number of times (or would go to the moon and back).

The sort of well known things that journalists compare things to.



sweetwater  Thursday Mar 12 08:31 AM

And don't forget Rhode Island! We'd want to know how deep the dollars would get if they were used to fill Rhode Island.



classicman  Thursday Mar 12 10:16 AM

Ease up on Little Rhody there, sweet!



Shawnee123  Thursday Mar 12 10:20 AM

I'd like to know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.

Zen, please illustrate.



ZenGum  Thursday Mar 12 09:31 PM

4,000, apparently, but they must be specially imported from Lancashire.


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Shawnee123  Thursday Mar 12 09:33 PM



That really puts it into perspective.



Elspode  Thursday Mar 12 11:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
Maybe, but I'd guess he just fucked up. Too many lovely women in his life, no time to stop and read the details.
In case you all haven't been paying attention, I fuck up a lot. Scour my posts diligently and you'll find that I have never claimed perfection. Quite the opposite, actually.


xoxoxoBruce  Friday Mar 13 01:16 AM

Well yes and no.
Yes... you never claim perfection, quite the contrary, your self deprecation is legendary.

No... you may "fuck up a lot", but not in the Cellar. I find your posts to be clear, informative, always eloquent and frequently poignant.




I also find your competition to charm the ladies, insurmountable.



ZenGum  Friday Mar 13 01:17 AM

Bruce, you have no problems that a trillion dollars wouldn't fix



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Mar 13 01:23 AM

That certainly would be helpful in hiding them, anyway.

I could fill the tip jar, which is a little low.



slang  Sunday Mar 22 04:56 AM

How the hell am I going to wheel barrow a trillion dollars to the store to buy bread two years from now?

Geez. That will require either 1 month of continuous work or sharing my loaf of bread with the wheel barrow team.

Completely unworkable either way.



classicman  Sunday Mar 22 12:34 PM

You'll need a little more than a wheelbarrow



BrianR  Sunday Mar 22 01:26 PM

Ten semi trucks if I remember a graphic posted here a while ago...



ZenGum  Sunday Mar 22 08:19 PM

Regarding hyperinflation, a friend and I came up with the idea of buying some Zimbabwe $10,000,000,000,000 notes for, say, 50 cents each, and selling them as novelty souveniers for, say, $2 (real money) each. Part procedes to charity.

Would you buy one? Just for the novelty value?



classicman  Sunday Mar 22 08:57 PM

Actually I'd buy 10. Seriously. PM me.



ZenGum  Sunday Mar 22 08:59 PM

Well, I could PM you, but since I have no Zimbabwean currency nor much idea where to start getting some ... what do you want me to say in my PM?



(cue dirty joke from Classic)



classicman  Sunday Mar 22 10:22 PM

lol - dunno - you're the one with the idea, not me. I was simply putting in my order.



Shawnee123  Monday Mar 23 09:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenGum View Post
Well, I could PM you, but since I have no Zimbabwean currency nor much idea where to start getting some ... what do you want me to say in my PM?



(cue dirty joke from Classic)
ROAD TRIP--ZIMBABWE BOUND!

I'll drive the first leg.


xoxoxoBruce  Monday Mar 23 11:14 AM

Bad dog, get off my leg.



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