xoxoxoBruce Monday Jun 1 01:25 AMJune 1, 2009: Skin Art
Andrew Krasnow makes skin art.
No, not tattoos, not body painting, art made of human skin.
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Using skins from white men who donated their bodies to medical science, he has created freak versions
of mundane items including flags, boots and maps of America – in effect using skin like leather.
His work, he says, is a commentary on human cruelty and America's ethics and morality.
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Not surprisingly, the work attracts controversy.
The only time it has been shown before in Britain, late last year, it was by appointment only.
Now the gallery has been licensed by the UK's Human Tissue Authority to display a complete exhibition.
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He even created a new piece for this UK show... a defaced $10 bill.
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Gallery owner Robert Devcic said Krasnow uses only white skin because much of the suffering in the Americas
has been caused by white people. "He uses skin to make the point that suffering is universal," he said.
"It is tanned using the same process that you'd use for an animal skin."
Martin Kemp, emeritus professor of art history at Oxford University, said Krasnow was not trying to be sensationalist.
"He has not overtly pushed the sense of spectacle or sensation, unlike, say, Damien Hirst," he said.
"He is working with deep and disturbing resonances. As an artist, he is pretty much out there on his own."
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Yeah, I think he's deeply disturbed. 
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monster Monday Jun 1 01:50 AMis it science? No? They why the fuck is he allowed o play with it?
ZenGum Monday Jun 1 02:57 AM
Oh no you didn't!!!!!!
Monster: yup. If I leave my body to science, it is for science. This is art (maybe), but not science. He can only use the skin of people who have left their body to ART.
Also, he needs some remedial logic, Just like Chavez.
"Most suffering was caused by white people", even if true, does NOT entail "most white people cause suffering".
Compare, "most murderers are right-handed" and "most right-handers are murderers".
Racist twerp.
nil_orally Monday Jun 1 05:14 AMLooking at his skin map, there is a hole around where Idaho should be.
Is this because he used the wrong part of a body for tanning?
Is he making a statement about Idaho?
ZenGum Monday Jun 1 05:34 AMAs in: My Own Private Brown-eye-daho?
spudcon Monday Jun 1 05:48 AMGlad to see he got dressed up, shaved, combed his hair etc for his exposition.
SPUCK Monday Jun 1 05:50 AMWhat a lewser.. 
Sheldonrs Monday Jun 1 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by nil_orally
Looking at his skin map, there is a hole around where Idaho should be.
Is this because he used the wrong part of a body for tanning?
Is he making a statement about Idaho?
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Think how Florida feels. 
capnhowdy Monday Jun 1 08:05 AMDespicable. Tasteless. Disrespectful.
What a schmooz.
glatt Monday Jun 1 08:37 AMThis really pisses me off. If somebody donates their body to science, how the hell did this guy get his hands on their body parts? This will cause people to be less likely to donate their body to science in the future, and body donations are needed for science.
Pie Monday Jun 1 08:56 AMWhat does it matter, they're dead. Garbage. Refuse. Worm-food.
Heck, I'll donate my body to art. They could probably upholster a whole sofa using my hide...
ZenGum Monday Jun 1 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs
Think how Florida feels. 
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So ... fold along the Mississippi, insert flap F into hole I, and the good ole USA can at last go #&%$ itself!
Shawnee123 Monday Jun 1 09:19 AMHe puts the lotion on his skin...
Clodfobble Monday Jun 1 09:48 AMYou know, it's one thing to make art out of skin. But that map is deplorable; it has only the barest resemblance to the right shape. My kids could make a skin-map better than that one.
Sheldonrs Monday Jun 1 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ZenGum
So ... fold along the Mississippi, insert flap F into hole I, and the good ole USA can at last go #&%$ itself!
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http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/art...1ODDegypt.html
Maybe this is where Florida came from.
classicman Monday Jun 1 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by glatt
This really pisses me off. If somebody donates their body to science, how the hell did this guy get his hands on their body parts? This will cause people to be less likely to donate their body to science in the future, and body donations are needed for science.
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As is shown in your usertitle!
Also:
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"He is working withdeep and disturbing resonances.
he is pretty much out there on his own."
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JLrep Monday Jun 1 11:53 AMSeriously. I like art. Art is great. If I donate my body to art, then you go ahead and cut it up and tan the skin and make toothpicks out of my bones. Whatever's arty.
But if I donate my body to science, please put it to some sort of actual use, or my ghost is going to be all sorts of put out.
I mean, you could at least shove it in Body Worlds. Label it as "Totally Average Guy, Notice Effects of Sitting In Front of Computer a Lot". It will be amazing (maybe).
Sheldonrs Monday Jun 1 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JLrep
Seriously. I like art. Art is great. If I donate my body to art, then you go ahead and cut it up and tan the skin and make toothpicks out of my bones. Whatever's arty.
But if I donate my body to science, please put it to some sort of actual use, or my ghost is going to be all sorts of put out.
I mean, you could at least shove it in Body Worlds. Label it as "Totally Average Guy, Notice Effects of Sitting In Front of Computer a Lot". It will be amazing (maybe).
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Perhaps the donor's name was Art. 
Gravdigr Monday Jun 1 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pie
What does it matter, they're dead. Garbage. Refuse. Worm-food.
Heck, I'll donate my body to art. They could probably upholster a whole sofa using my hide...
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How do you think your children would feel looking up at dad's torso-skin after it has been peeled from your body, scraped to the desired thickness, dried, tanned (ever been to a tannery, btw? You should go before making this decision.), and stretched into the general shape of Oklahoma?
dmg1969 Monday Jun 1 01:11 PMWhat's next...a mobile made of kidneys, tongues and eyeballs?
I agree...totally tasteless. I don't know where some people get their ideas of what is art. My ex was an art major and she had some weird fucking friends.
Pie Monday Jun 1 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Gravdigr
How do you think your children would feel looking up at dad's torso-skin after it has been peeled from your body, scraped to the desired thickness, dried, tanned (ever been to a tannery, btw? You should go before making this decision.), and stretched into the general shape of Oklahoma? 
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I have my father's autopsy notes on my computer -- that's basically what they did to him. And they learned -- nothing.
TheMercenary Monday Jun 1 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by glatt
This really pisses me off. If somebody donates their body to science, how the hell did this guy get his hands on their body parts? This will cause people to be less likely to donate their body to science in the future, and body donations are needed for science.
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I sort of agree. If they donated thier bodies for art it would be one thing. It appears there were no art donations. During anatomy lab they go out of their way to ensure proper respect for the people in there. Any antics of any kind and you are out with a failing grade. So I am curious as to whom gave him permission to use this skin for a use other than medical.
sweasel Monday Jun 1 07:46 PMWould it be racist of me to speculate that he uses white skin because that's all he's got to work with? I wonder the racial and gender breakdown of people who donate their bodies to science.
Just sayin'.
classicman Monday Jun 1 07:52 PMInteresting first post - welcome - I think.
TheMercenary Monday Jun 1 07:53 PMI don't think it would be racist to ask the question. In fact there should be some stats out there on it. I suspect that there is a much lower rate of donation by people other than white for many reasons, esp cultural and religious. We may have had one out of 9 bodies in our lab that was a black person.
ZenGum Monday Jun 1 07:59 PM... which would be fine, except that his lab only does electronics research...
Seriously (just for a moment), is one balck per nine people a reasonable proportionate representation of the population in your area? It sounds about right for the USA in general.
xoxoxoBruce Tuesday Jun 2 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sweasel
Would it be racist of me to speculate that he uses white skin because that's all he's got to work with? I wonder the racial and gender breakdown of people who donate their bodies to science.
Just sayin'.
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The exhibition in London in July will include a new sculpture made out of the final piece of skin Krasnow obtained in a job lot 20 years ago –
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The job lots may have been sorted by color, but he claims he only wanted white anyway.
Oh, and welcome to the Cellar. 
Sundae Tuesday Jun 2 04:54 AMI would have no problem with it - IF the skin had been left by people with the intention of making art.
What bothers me is that the artist is making a political and a racial statement out of people who selflessly donated their bodies so that the rest of the human race could benefit. And he is using their gift to make a statement about how awful America is, Americans are, white Americans behave.
No. Wrong.
Now, if you really want to be controversial, make a statement about crime using the skins of people killed on Death Row. Or about gang culture using skins of people shot on the streets of cities with gang related killings. Or about drugs using junkie hides.
Don't take completely unrelated skins and try to say something about a whole country.
Grrrr. And I'm pretty liberal in my definition of art.
This is something I would not go to see. This is misrepresentational. If that is a word. If I want lies and generalisations I can read a newspaper.
BTW - Clod. You're not thinking of home schooling are you? Only I kinda worry about your idea of a project 
Sheldonrs Tuesday Jun 2 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dmg1969
What's next...a mobile made of kidneys, tongues and eyeballs?...
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That would be more of an organ recital.
Clodfobble Tuesday Jun 2 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl
BTW - Clod. You're not thinking of home schooling are you? Only I kinda worry about your idea of a project 
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Christ, no. Let someone else deal with them for 8 hours a day. 
Kolbenfresser Wednesday Jun 3 05:13 AMNo recipes yet!
Interesting, no recipes so far.
Also interesting: Cellar people rarely get pissed off by some weired artist using bizarre material.
ZenGum Wednesday Jun 3 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Kolbenfresser
Also interesting: Cellar people rarely get pissed off by some weired artist using bizarre material.
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Not quite; I don't mind art using human skin, what bothers me (and most others I think) is human skin that people donated for science - teaching and research - being given to some bloke to make a public spectacle out of.
Good point about the recipes, though. I think we were distracted.
capnhowdy Wednesday Jun 3 08:16 AMSomething this tasteless is impossible to improve with culinary craftiness. Might as well eat it raw.
classicman Wednesday Jun 3 09:29 AMSweet peppers - they make everything taste like, well, sweet peppers. That or cut into strips, fry and coat with old bay. mmmm skinchips/homoskins. nom nom nom.
Sheldonrs Wednesday Jun 3 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman
Sweet peppers - they make everything taste like, well, sweet peppers. That or cut into strips, fry and coat with old bay. mmmm skinchips/homoskins. nom nom nom.
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"And how many would you like Sir?"
"I'd like four skins please."
hehehehehehe
capnhowdy Wednesday Jun 3 06:50 PMI'm sure you'd rather have them "rare" as opposed to "well done".
Kolbenfresser Thursday Jun 4 03:35 AMstill interesting :-)
Hey ZenGum, some people donated their body for science, which is considered to be generous because it serves a good cause. Now they got ripped of, which bothers most people (me as well actually). But still, I did not expect this bias at this specific place of the net. People get badly ripped off all the time, and usually someone comes up with a wordplay or some kind of cynical comment. People around her are not distracted that easy, I thought. Interesting...
ZenGum Thursday Jun 4 04:24 AMHmm, yes, okay, normally we just make silly jokes and stuff. You're right that this one did get under peoples skin more than most :p but if you pores for thought, you may note we have a goodly number of gags. Still, I a-derma-ire your observativeness.
wolf Thursday Jun 4 01:27 PMI find myself wondering what people would be thinking of him if he were to make other things ... like lampshades, bookcovers, or a woman suit?
Creepy, creepier, creepiest.
I don't like the "art" that involves bodily waste either.
Yeah, I'm close-minded that way.
xoxoxoBruce Thursday Jun 4 01:38 PM
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His works include human skin lampshades – a direct response to the belief that similar items made from the skin of Holocaust victims were found at Buchenwald concentration camp.
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wolf Thursday Jun 4 01:45 PMeeeauw.
Gravdigr Thursday Jun 4 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by capnhowdy
Something this tasteless is impossible to improve with culinary craftiness. Might as well eat it raw.
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Cloud Thursday Jun 4 03:03 PMugh. and ewww to boot!
spudcon Thursday Jun 4 07:46 PMDon't forget, Hanibal Lecter made a "vest with tits."
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