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   xoxoxoBruce  Monday Jun 1 01:25 AM

June 1, 2009: Skin Art

Andrew Krasnow makes skin art.
No, not tattoos, not body painting, art made of human skin.

Quote:
Using skins from white men who donated their bodies to medical science, he has created freak versions
of mundane items including flags, boots and maps of America in effect using skin like leather.
His work, he says, is a commentary on human cruelty and America's ethics and morality.


Quote:
Not surprisingly, the work attracts controversy.
The only time it has been shown before in Britain, late last year, it was by appointment only.
Now the gallery has been licensed by the UK's Human Tissue Authority to display a complete exhibition.
He even created a new piece for this UK show... a defaced $10 bill.

Quote:
Gallery owner Robert Devcic said Krasnow uses only white skin because much of the suffering in the Americas
has been caused by white people. "He uses skin to make the point that suffering is universal," he said.
"It is tanned using the same process that you'd use for an animal skin."

Martin Kemp, emeritus professor of art history at Oxford University, said Krasnow was not trying to be sensationalist.
"He has not overtly pushed the sense of spectacle or sensation, unlike, say, Damien Hirst," he said.
"He is working with deep and disturbing resonances. As an artist, he is pretty much out there on his own."
Yeah, I think he's deeply disturbed.

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monster  Monday Jun 1 01:50 AM

is it science? No? They why the fuck is he allowed o play with it?



ZenGum  Monday Jun 1 02:57 AM

Quote:
a defaced $10 bill.
Oh no you didn't!!!!!!


Monster: yup. If I leave my body to science, it is for science. This is art (maybe), but not science. He can only use the skin of people who have left their body to ART.

Also, he needs some remedial logic, Just like Chavez.

"Most suffering was caused by white people", even if true, does NOT entail "most white people cause suffering".

Compare, "most murderers are right-handed" and "most right-handers are murderers".

Racist twerp.


nil_orally  Monday Jun 1 05:14 AM

Looking at his skin map, there is a hole around where Idaho should be.
Is this because he used the wrong part of a body for tanning?
Is he making a statement about Idaho?



ZenGum  Monday Jun 1 05:34 AM

As in: My Own Private Brown-eye-daho?



spudcon  Monday Jun 1 05:48 AM

Glad to see he got dressed up, shaved, combed his hair etc for his exposition.



SPUCK  Monday Jun 1 05:50 AM

What a lewser..



Sheldonrs  Monday Jun 1 07:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by nil_orally View Post
Looking at his skin map, there is a hole around where Idaho should be.
Is this because he used the wrong part of a body for tanning?
Is he making a statement about Idaho?
Think how Florida feels.


capnhowdy  Monday Jun 1 08:05 AM

Despicable. Tasteless. Disrespectful.

What a schmooz.



glatt  Monday Jun 1 08:37 AM

This really pisses me off. If somebody donates their body to science, how the hell did this guy get his hands on their body parts? This will cause people to be less likely to donate their body to science in the future, and body donations are needed for science.



Pie  Monday Jun 1 08:56 AM

What does it matter, they're dead. Garbage. Refuse. Worm-food.

Heck, I'll donate my body to art. They could probably upholster a whole sofa using my hide...



ZenGum  Monday Jun 1 08:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheldonrs View Post
Think how Florida feels.


So ... fold along the Mississippi, insert flap F into hole I, and the good ole USA can at last go #&%$ itself!


Shawnee123  Monday Jun 1 09:19 AM

He puts the lotion on his skin...



Clodfobble  Monday Jun 1 09:48 AM

You know, it's one thing to make art out of skin. But that map is deplorable; it has only the barest resemblance to the right shape. My kids could make a skin-map better than that one.



Sheldonrs  Monday Jun 1 10:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenGum View Post


So ... fold along the Mississippi, insert flap F into hole I, and the good ole USA can at last go #&%$ itself!
http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/art...1ODDegypt.html

Maybe this is where Florida came from.


classicman  Monday Jun 1 10:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
This really pisses me off. If somebody donates their body to science, how the hell did this guy get his hands on their body parts? This will cause people to be less likely to donate their body to science in the future, and body donations are needed for science.
As is shown in your usertitle!

Also:
Quote:
"He is working withdeep and disturbing resonances.
he is pretty much out there on his own."



JLrep  Monday Jun 1 11:53 AM

Seriously. I like art. Art is great. If I donate my body to art, then you go ahead and cut it up and tan the skin and make toothpicks out of my bones. Whatever's arty.

But if I donate my body to science, please put it to some sort of actual use, or my ghost is going to be all sorts of put out.

I mean, you could at least shove it in Body Worlds. Label it as "Totally Average Guy, Notice Effects of Sitting In Front of Computer a Lot". It will be amazing (maybe).



Sheldonrs  Monday Jun 1 11:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JLrep View Post
Seriously. I like art. Art is great. If I donate my body to art, then you go ahead and cut it up and tan the skin and make toothpicks out of my bones. Whatever's arty.

But if I donate my body to science, please put it to some sort of actual use, or my ghost is going to be all sorts of put out.

I mean, you could at least shove it in Body Worlds. Label it as "Totally Average Guy, Notice Effects of Sitting In Front of Computer a Lot". It will be amazing (maybe).
Perhaps the donor's name was Art.


Gravdigr  Monday Jun 1 01:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pie View Post
What does it matter, they're dead. Garbage. Refuse. Worm-food.

Heck, I'll donate my body to art. They could probably upholster a whole sofa using my hide...
How do you think your children would feel looking up at dad's torso-skin after it has been peeled from your body, scraped to the desired thickness, dried, tanned (ever been to a tannery, btw? You should go before making this decision.), and stretched into the general shape of Oklahoma?


dmg1969  Monday Jun 1 01:11 PM

What's next...a mobile made of kidneys, tongues and eyeballs?

I agree...totally tasteless. I don't know where some people get their ideas of what is art. My ex was an art major and she had some weird fucking friends.



Pie  Monday Jun 1 01:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gravdigr View Post
How do you think your children would feel looking up at dad's torso-skin after it has been peeled from your body, scraped to the desired thickness, dried, tanned (ever been to a tannery, btw? You should go before making this decision.), and stretched into the general shape of Oklahoma?
I have my father's autopsy notes on my computer -- that's basically what they did to him. And they learned -- nothing.


TheMercenary  Monday Jun 1 07:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
This really pisses me off. If somebody donates their body to science, how the hell did this guy get his hands on their body parts? This will cause people to be less likely to donate their body to science in the future, and body donations are needed for science.
I sort of agree. If they donated thier bodies for art it would be one thing. It appears there were no art donations. During anatomy lab they go out of their way to ensure proper respect for the people in there. Any antics of any kind and you are out with a failing grade. So I am curious as to whom gave him permission to use this skin for a use other than medical.


sweasel  Monday Jun 1 07:46 PM

Would it be racist of me to speculate that he uses white skin because that's all he's got to work with? I wonder the racial and gender breakdown of people who donate their bodies to science.

Just sayin'.



classicman  Monday Jun 1 07:52 PM

Interesting first post - welcome - I think.



TheMercenary  Monday Jun 1 07:53 PM

I don't think it would be racist to ask the question. In fact there should be some stats out there on it. I suspect that there is a much lower rate of donation by people other than white for many reasons, esp cultural and religious. We may have had one out of 9 bodies in our lab that was a black person.



ZenGum  Monday Jun 1 07:59 PM

... which would be fine, except that his lab only does electronics research...


Seriously (just for a moment), is one balck per nine people a reasonable proportionate representation of the population in your area? It sounds about right for the USA in general.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jun 2 12:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweasel View Post
Would it be racist of me to speculate that he uses white skin because that's all he's got to work with? I wonder the racial and gender breakdown of people who donate their bodies to science.

Just sayin'.
Quote:
The exhibition in London in July will include a new sculpture made out of the final piece of skin Krasnow obtained in a job lot 20 years ago
The job lots may have been sorted by color, but he claims he only wanted white anyway.

Oh, and welcome to the Cellar.


Sundae  Tuesday Jun 2 04:54 AM

I would have no problem with it - IF the skin had been left by people with the intention of making art.

What bothers me is that the artist is making a political and a racial statement out of people who selflessly donated their bodies so that the rest of the human race could benefit. And he is using their gift to make a statement about how awful America is, Americans are, white Americans behave.

No. Wrong.

Now, if you really want to be controversial, make a statement about crime using the skins of people killed on Death Row. Or about gang culture using skins of people shot on the streets of cities with gang related killings. Or about drugs using junkie hides.

Don't take completely unrelated skins and try to say something about a whole country.
Grrrr. And I'm pretty liberal in my definition of art.
This is something I would not go to see. This is misrepresentational. If that is a word. If I want lies and generalisations I can read a newspaper.

BTW - Clod. You're not thinking of home schooling are you? Only I kinda worry about your idea of a project



Sheldonrs  Tuesday Jun 2 09:43 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmg1969 View Post
What's next...a mobile made of kidneys, tongues and eyeballs?...
That would be more of an organ recital.


Clodfobble  Tuesday Jun 2 03:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundae Girl
BTW - Clod. You're not thinking of home schooling are you? Only I kinda worry about your idea of a project
Christ, no. Let someone else deal with them for 8 hours a day.


Kolbenfresser  Wednesday Jun 3 05:13 AM

No recipes yet!

Interesting, no recipes so far.
Also interesting: Cellar people rarely get pissed off by some weired artist using bizarre material.



ZenGum  Wednesday Jun 3 06:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolbenfresser View Post
Also interesting: Cellar people rarely get pissed off by some weired artist using bizarre material.
Not quite; I don't mind art using human skin, what bothers me (and most others I think) is human skin that people donated for science - teaching and research - being given to some bloke to make a public spectacle out of.

Good point about the recipes, though. I think we were distracted.


capnhowdy  Wednesday Jun 3 08:16 AM

Something this tasteless is impossible to improve with culinary craftiness. Might as well eat it raw.



classicman  Wednesday Jun 3 09:29 AM

Sweet peppers - they make everything taste like, well, sweet peppers. That or cut into strips, fry and coat with old bay. mmmm skinchips/homoskins. nom nom nom.



Sheldonrs  Wednesday Jun 3 12:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by classicman View Post
Sweet peppers - they make everything taste like, well, sweet peppers. That or cut into strips, fry and coat with old bay. mmmm skinchips/homoskins. nom nom nom.
"And how many would you like Sir?"

"I'd like four skins please."


hehehehehehe


capnhowdy  Wednesday Jun 3 06:50 PM

I'm sure you'd rather have them "rare" as opposed to "well done".



Kolbenfresser  Thursday Jun 4 03:35 AM

still interesting :-)

Hey ZenGum, some people donated their body for science, which is considered to be generous because it serves a good cause. Now they got ripped of, which bothers most people (me as well actually). But still, I did not expect this bias at this specific place of the net. People get badly ripped off all the time, and usually someone comes up with a wordplay or some kind of cynical comment. People around her are not distracted that easy, I thought. Interesting...



ZenGum  Thursday Jun 4 04:24 AM

Hmm, yes, okay, normally we just make silly jokes and stuff. You're right that this one did get under peoples skin more than most :p but if you pores for thought, you may note we have a goodly number of gags. Still, I a-derma-ire your observativeness.



wolf  Thursday Jun 4 01:27 PM

I find myself wondering what people would be thinking of him if he were to make other things ... like lampshades, bookcovers, or a woman suit?

Creepy, creepier, creepiest.

I don't like the "art" that involves bodily waste either.

Yeah, I'm close-minded that way.



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Jun 4 01:38 PM

Quote:
His works include human skin lampshades a direct response to the belief that similar items made from the skin of Holocaust victims were found at Buchenwald concentration camp.



wolf  Thursday Jun 4 01:45 PM

eeeauw.



Gravdigr  Thursday Jun 4 02:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by capnhowdy View Post
Something this tasteless is impossible to improve with culinary craftiness. Might as well eat it raw.



Cloud  Thursday Jun 4 03:03 PM

ugh. and ewww to boot!



spudcon  Thursday Jun 4 07:46 PM

Don't forget, Hanibal Lecter made a "vest with tits."



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