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   xoxoxoBruce  Sunday Mar 28 12:06 AM

Mar 28, 2010: Chinese Deodorant Cannons

Cannons? Deodorant cannons? Yes, but don't worry, they won't shoot you stinky people.

Quote:
Beijing is to install 100 deodorant guns at a stinking landfill site on the edge of the city in a bid to dampen complaints about the capital's rubbish crisis.
The high-pressure guns, which can spray dozens of litres of fragrance per minute over a distance of up to 50m, are produced by several Chinese firms and based on German and Italian technology. They are already in use at several landfill sites, but they are merely a temporary fix.


Make it smell better by adding to the air pollution... hmmm.

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Beijing's waste problem - and China's - is expanding as fast as its economy, at about 8% each year. With millions more people now able to afford Starbucks, McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken and other elements of a western, throwaway lifestyle, the landfill sites and illegal tips that ring the capital are close to overflowing.

According to the local government, the city of 17m people generates 18,000 tonnes of waste every day - 7,000 tonnes more than the capacity of municipal disposal plants.

"All landfill and treatment sites in Beijing will be full in four years. That's how long it takes to build a treatment plant. So we need to act right now to resolve the issue," said Wang Weiping, a waste expert in the city government. "It's necessary to restructure the current disposal system. We cannot rely on landfill anymore. It's a waste of space."

Less than 4% of Beijing's rubbish is recycled – the UK recycles 35% – but is still near the bottom of the EU recycling league. Two per cent of Beijing's rubbish is burned but the rest is dumped in landfill sites, which cover an area of 333,000 sq m. Cities throughout the country face a similar problem.

There are more than 200 legal and illegal sites around Beijing, according to Wang Jiuliang, a photographer who has spent the past year recording and plotting the wastelands using GPS systems and Google Earth.
They're even dumping human waste, from planes and trains, in the landfills, instead of processing it in sewage facilities.
With all the construction of new apartment buildings in urban areas, it's only going to get worse.

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spudcon  Sunday Mar 28 12:53 AM

Makes me sick just looking at the pictures. People who are worried about bogus man-made warming should be worried instead about what the Communist Socialist Utopia is doing to our planet, and what will happen when they start dumping in the ocean. That's more likely to raise sea levels, and destroy life.



Griff  Sunday Mar 28 07:54 AM

Yay Earth!



Sundae  Sunday Mar 28 08:23 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
Makes me sick just looking at the pictures. People who are worried about bogus man-made warming should be worried instead about what the Communist Socialist Utopia is doing to our planet, and what will happen when they start dumping in the ocean. That's more likely to raise sea levels, and destroy life.
Interesting opinion. Man cannot do anything to harm the planet and global warming is bogus... unless you happen to be a communist?

I doubt the deodorant cannons will work anyway. Purely from personal experience - spraying anything to get rid of bad smells just leaves you with a worse one (no matter what Oust and Febreeze claim). Best thing to do is light a candle. I know - I have a cat litter tray in my room which I keep as clean as a whistle most days, but tends to get filled at night.

Not that I'm advocating setting fire to Bejing!


spudcon  Sunday Mar 28 09:45 AM

I didn't say man can't hurt the planet, I'm just stating facts that consensus by researchers vying for research grants is not science.



spudcon  Sunday Mar 28 09:47 AM

And yes, communist countries have the worst pollution record on the planet.



newtimer  Sunday Mar 28 11:26 AM

Got to back up Spudcon on this one. I lived over there for several years and saw the filth that piles up everywhere. And nobody cares. "I don't like the stink and the garbage and the ROUS's running about, but it's not MY problem; The government will do something about it someday" is the general attitude.



rditlkustoleit  Sunday Mar 28 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
I didn't say man can't hurt the planet, I'm just stating facts that consensus by researchers vying for research grants is not science.
Amen!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by newtimer View Post
Got to back up Spudcon on this one. I lived over there for several years and saw the filth that piles up everywhere. And nobody cares. "I don't like the stink and the garbage and the ROUS's running about, but it's not MY problem; The government will do something about it someday" is the general attitude.
Agreed!
I think we have to keep in mind that there is still a very large rural/farmer/peasant population in China. It is not uncommon when they eat at home or for what passes as a restaurant to spit their food out on the floor during the meal if there is a bone, etc. they do not want to swallow. It's really gross, they hock it up, spit it out and are unfazed. I started looking at the floor like a mine field, plotting my exit strategy. Squatting in the field and relieving oneself then going right to the meal table is also not uncommon.

The point is that it may take the next generation or two to bring these populations up to speed on even personal hygiene and basic etiquette. Bringing their awareness and caring to garbage and landfill issues is certainly out of their scope at this point in their development.
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SPUCK  Monday Mar 29 05:36 AM

CHECK PLEASE!



Happy Monkey  Monday Mar 29 10:31 AM

Consensus isn't science; consensus is based on the science.



Pete Zicato  Monday Mar 29 10:41 AM

Being anywhere within miles of that machine would be torture for me. I can't even walk past a Bath and Body without gagging. It affects my breathing. Maybe I'm allergic to those horrible artificial scents.

And, of course, Mrs. Z. and the Zlets love those places.



DanaC  Tuesday Mar 30 05:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
Makes me sick just looking at the pictures. People who are worried about bogus man-made warming should be worried instead about what the Communist Socialist Utopia is doing to our planet, and what will happen when they start dumping in the ocean. That's more likely to raise sea levels, and destroy life.
We in the West have spent about the last two centuries polluting the planet, shunting dangerous chemicals into our river systems, raising massified farming to epic levels, powering an industrial revolution through fossil fuels, and optimising our personal environments through central heating and air conditioning. Now we're full bore into the computer age and our relative wealth along with the speed of technological development ensures that a plentiful supply of old and obselete computers and mobile phones will sit alongside our old fridges and televisions.

Now, I'm not saying we don't have a stake in what the Chinese are now doing to the environment through their own industrial revolution, but really, it is a little rich to spend hundreds of years fucking up the planet in new and creative ways and then within a decade or so of becoming aware of our part in that planetary clusterfuck, to then point our collective finger at communist countries, or China in particular and call them bastards for doing the same. Particularly since they are still playing catch-up in terms of industrialising their nation, whilst we are enjoying our post-industrialisation sense of goodwill to Mother Earth.

Worth also noting that whilst China is still an appalling polluter, and is growing its fossil fuels consumption alarmingly, it is also the world's leading investor in renewable energy technologies.


SPUCK  Tuesday Mar 30 06:44 AM

ahhhhhhhhhh they still suck..



spudcon  Tuesday Mar 30 07:47 AM

Ditto. Damn commies! Oh, and don't forget, they've had nukes almost as long as we have. Industrial revolution had to come years after nuclear technology I guess.



xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Mar 30 08:55 AM

That's because we could afford guns & butter, while they could only afford one or the other.



glatt  Tuesday Mar 30 09:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC View Post
it is a little rich to spend hundreds of years fucking up the planet in new and creative ways and then within a decade or so of becoming aware of our part in that planetary clusterfuck, to then point our collective finger at communist countries, or China in particular and call them bastards for doing the same.
Good point. But what about the concept of learning from the mistakes and successes of others? China is an expert in this area. (Which is a polite way of saying they steal all our intellectual property.) They learn everything they know from us, and they decide to reject the knowledge that they find inconvenient. They know pollution is bad, because they saw the West go through that period. But they have made the decision that they don't care. We can certainly judge them for knowingly choosing the path of polluting the planet we all share.


Undertoad  Tuesday Mar 30 10:55 AM

We regulated all the pollution away.

We made it utterly expensive to make things, and then all the manufacturing moved to places where the regulations didn't exist, so it was still cheap. You want to use this industrial solvent? Well, you'll have to build a special room for it, and then you'll have to capture the fumes, and the waste, and dispose of it in an ultra-expensive way, and keep records for it all. Or you could have it made in a place where they don't care and just throw the waste in the river, saving you millions.



Trilby  Tuesday Mar 30 10:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad View Post
We regulated all the pollution away.

We made it utterly expensive to make things, and then all the manufacturing moved to places where the regulations didn't exist, so it was still cheap. You want to use this industrial solvent? Well, you'll have to build a special room for it, and then you'll have to capture the fumes, and the waste, and dispose of it in an ultra-expensive way, and keep records for it all. Or you could have it made in a place where they don't care and just throw the waste in the river, saving you millions.
Gosh, I miss my OSHA days...

makes me misty for my MSDS book....


glatt  Tuesday Mar 30 11:02 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad View Post
We regulated all the pollution away.
Very true. But China doesn't have to allow the pollution. We decided we didn't want any, so we regulated it away. We can't control China. China needs to decide for itself if it's going to regulate their pollution away. If they clean up their act, Walmart won't be so cheap anymore, but that would be good for the West because then we would be able to compete with China on a level field.


Pete Zicato  Tuesday Mar 30 11:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by glatt View Post
that would be good for the West because then we would be able to compete with China on a level field.
Not really. They would still have cheaper labor.


spudcon  Tuesday Mar 30 08:20 PM

And they don't have to pay royalty or patent payments to American inventors, artists or industry.



chrisinhouston  Wednesday Mar 31 12:29 PM

I've been to Taiwan and Shanghai and I can honestly say that while visiting both I have smelled smells that I have never encountered in any other place on this planet that I have been!

Wonder what kind of fragrance they spray into the air? Perhaps the smell of Shaoxing Wine and Chinkiang vinegar as it hits a hot wok?



SPUCK  Thursday Apr 1 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisinhouston View Post
Wonder what kind of fragrance they spray into the air?
Usually it is NOT a fragrance at all. It's a high tech chemical that flat out stops you from smelling the target stench. It's insanely effective and the chemical companies charge a bundle for it. It's used in many places.

Many US landfills use it in misting systems. You can buy systems to snuff out most noxious odors. Often places that have a lot of garbage like a large apartment complex can install units. The units often have wind detection to shut down the expensive spray if the wind blows hard enough to dilute the bad odors or if the prevailing wind blows the stink away from any complainers.

If they are using the smell quenching chemical in that truck above, then the amount they're spraying would knock down a huge amount of putricity.


DanaC  Thursday Apr 1 07:01 AM

Wow. I did not know that Spuck.



Griff  Thursday Apr 1 07:34 AM

Does it actually strip the poop molecules from the air or does it mess with the human nose?



Undertoad  Thursday Apr 1 12:01 PM

Yeh, I've heard it is a numbing agent for the scent glands in your nose, and I've heard some of the stuff you can spray in your house does the same thing.



spudcon  Thursday Apr 1 03:37 PM

Formaldehyde has been doing that for a long time.



xoxoxoBruce  Friday Apr 2 01:00 AM

So has Cocaine.



SPUCK  Friday Apr 2 06:19 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Griff View Post
Does it actually strip the poop molecules from the air or does it mess with the human nose?
Neither. As I recall it bonds with the stink molecules and changes their shape so they change how they smell. I actually am marginally associated with a controller for dispensing this stuff. I had it all explained to me a long while ago. I need to get a refresher course from them.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertoad View Post
Yeh, I've heard it is a numbing agent for the scent glands in your nose, and I've heard some of the stuff you can spray in your house does the same thing.
I don't believe it's a numbing agent exactly but yes some of the home sprays have the same or similar stuff in them.


Shawnee123  Friday Apr 2 08:28 AM

So Febreeze doesn't make things less smelly, it just inhibits ability to smell the offending object?

Can one develop a Febreeze immunity?



Undertoad  Friday Apr 2 08:46 AM

I think Febreeze does something different. I think.



spudcon  Saturday Apr 3 06:57 PM

It claims to kill the germs that create the smell, so the germs stop farting and stinking.



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