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   xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Jun 30 12:02 AM

June 30, 2010: Bike Lane

There, in the night... Ahhwooooo... Bike lanes of London, Ahwooooo!


photo credit: jamesup

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Spotted last night along Southwark Street. Two chaps constructing one of London's new Cycle Superhighways (sorry, Barclays Cycle Superhighways). Specifically, route CS7, due to connect Merton to the City with a continuous blue line from this summer. What we hadn't realised was how these things are laid. Wherever the azure lane needs a special marking, these fellows take out a flat-pack kit and 'iron on' the symbol like a transfer. Who knew?
Must be the perspective but the lane in between the two bike lanes look pretty narrow.

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HungLikeJesus  Wednesday Jun 30 12:12 AM

I wonder if they're slippery when wet. Does it rain much there?



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Jun 30 12:18 AM

Does it rain much in London?



Gravdigr  Wednesday Jun 30 02:02 AM




Antimatter  Wednesday Jun 30 04:18 AM

If they're anything like the ones in Copenhagen they're coarse enough not to get slippery when wet.



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Jun 30 04:22 AM

I don't know about Europe, but the plastic lines and letters they put down here are slippery as shit.



Griff  Wednesday Jun 30 06:40 AM

Yeah, but we don't have bikes here.



xoxoxoBruce  Wednesday Jun 30 06:47 AM

Them ain't horses I'm trying to avoid on the road.



Griff  Wednesday Jun 30 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce View Post
Them ain't horses I'm trying to avoid on the road.
Try harder.

We've almost given up rode riding. It used to be you'd get the occasional jack-ass swerving and laying on the horn but now it is some form of aggression pretty much every time out no matter how carefully you follow the rules of the road. A lot of cyclists ride like punks now feeding that violence. hmmm... sounds like a foru...


squirell nutkin  Wednesday Jun 30 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff View Post
Try harder.

We've almost given up rode riding. It used to be you'd get the occasional jack-ass swerving and laying on the horn but now it is some form of aggression pretty much every time out no matter how carefully you follow the rules of the road. A lot of cyclists ride like punks now feeding that violence. hmmm... sounds like a foru...
That's why I stopped riding. I'd consider riding again if I were armed. A bullet through the windshield amy make drivers think twice before hassling cyclists. And by hassling I mean throwing things, hitting from a moving car, side swiping, and general menacing.

The cat calls and honks are nothing.


HungLikeJesus  Wednesday Jun 30 08:55 AM

Last year in Colorado they passed a law that a car passing a bicycle must give three feet clearance. That seems to have helped.



newtimer  Wednesday Jun 30 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by squirell nutkin View Post
A bullet through the windshield amy make drivers think twice before hassling cyclists.
Amy sound like tough character. She not afraid of big cars. Bet she graduated from all-girls school in Afghanistan.


classicman  Wednesday Jun 30 09:22 AM

hahaha -



Antimatter  Wednesday Jun 30 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by squirell nutkin View Post
That's why I stopped riding. I'd consider riding again if I were armed. A bullet through the windshield amy make drivers think twice before hassling cyclists. And by hassling I mean throwing things, hitting from a moving car, side swiping, and general menacing.

The cat calls and honks are nothing.
Whoa, you guys have serious problems over there! I knew bicycling wasn't as widespread in the states as it is in Denmark, but I had no idea motorists are acting hostilely towards bicycle riders.


jinx  Wednesday Jun 30 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus View Post
Last year in Colorado they passed a law that a car passing a bicycle must give three feet clearance. That seems to have helped.
Great idea.
Especially if bikers are required to stick to roads where there's 3 feet to give.


Griff  Wednesday Jun 30 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx View Post
Great idea.
Especially if bikers are required to stick to roads where there's 3 feet to give.
That is a real problem in no shoulder PA. Maybe cars should stick to roads with 10' to give.


jinx  Wednesday Jun 30 11:14 AM

Yeah, that'd be great, then I could kayak down the storm drains like I've always wanted...



Griff  Wednesday Jun 30 11:22 AM

See, everybody wins... most everybody... well a couple people.

The cultural aspect of this is interesting. I remember riding in Ireland and how careful the cars were around cyclists. We got razzed by German cyclists for our helmets and mirrors, items we need in the States because we will get driven off the road or hit with a beer bottle or slapped in the back of the head.



jinx  Wednesday Jun 30 11:34 AM

People are insane. I drive around in a tank and other drivers make me cringe, I'd be terrified on a bike.
There's this long passing zone on my usual commute, excellent opportunity to go around the many people who like to drive that road 15mph under the speed limit. BUT, people don't like to be passed there for some reason. I often have people try to race, put their high beams on after they've been passed - and not that long ago I had someone swerve at me when I was next to them. Jim happened to be following me home that night.... followed that guy to a shopping center and had words...



Griff  Wednesday Jun 30 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx View Post
People are insane.
Truly.


Lamplighter  Wednesday Jun 30 11:45 AM

Here in Oregon, cyclists have been politically active and laws were passed giving them protection and "rights" on the roads. Some cyclists have become very "assertive". Drivers are noticing these changes and some are responding poorly.

Portland has had several deaths and so is experimenting with various bike-only routes and bike lanes, especially at intersections where vehicles make turns. The problem is that no matter who has the "right of way", the car always wins.



lumberjim  Wednesday Jun 30 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx View Post
followed that guy to a shopping center and had words...

chicken shit wouldn't stop his car.... his white chrysler cirrus that if i ever see again......




edit.... wouldn't get out of his car....

I pulled along side him at a light, and MFed him..... then i followed him around some more until i could see him calling someone on his cell phone.....

i was driving a demo, so i decided to let it go.....


Happy Monkey  Wednesday Jun 30 12:14 PM

Gah, I was in a long line of cars behind one driver who refused to pass a bicycle on my way to work today.



monster  Wednesday Jun 30 12:41 PM

Lanes are very narrow in the UK ....mind, so are the cars. A Focus is an average-sized car.

(No points to anyone "fixing" lanes to minds in the above statement).

It's been 10 years since I lived in the UK, but I don't remember markings like that being slippy and was suprised here when they were, so I'm guessing they'd be fine. The painted disabled parking spots at my kids' school are like ice rinks. It's insane.

Yes, whole diffeent attitude to cyclist in Europe. And from cyclists. And the roads are more cyclist-friendly -no huge earthquake-like cracks and crater potholes -but that may just be Michigan



glatt  Wednesday Jun 30 01:57 PM

They have just added a bunch of bike lanes in DC too. DC is fairly bike friendly, for a US city. It's still dangerous, but it's much better than most.

When cyclists are killed, it actually makes the news and people care. Some mysterious person (or persons) puts up memorials every time a cyclist is killed. And if the city removes them, they put another up in the same spot until the city gives up.

This one memorializes a woman run over by a national guard truck a couple blocks from my office this Spring.



HungLikeJesus  Wednesday Jun 30 02:02 PM

Those are the ghost bikes, I think.



xoxoxoBruce  Thursday Jul 1 12:34 AM

In Philly, a guy on a bicycle killed a pedestrian, a short time ago.



HungLikeJesus  Thursday Jul 1 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus View Post
Those are the ghost bikes, I think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_bike


ToastyOhs  Monday Jul 5 11:34 AM

I like to ride. Where I am in Maine you have to ride aggressively or people will not respect your space. We have laws, and "Share the Road" bumper stickers, but people driving a cars seem to instinctively hate cyclists. The last time most of them rode a bike, it had a banana seat and sure as heck didn't go 30 mph.

Also - Sidewalks are for pedestrians and dogs, not bicycles.



Lamplighter  Monday Jul 5 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ToastyOhs View Post
I like to ride. Where I am in Maine you have to ride aggressively or people will not respect your space. We have laws, and "Share the Road" bumper stickers, but people driving a cars seem to instinctively hate cyclists. The last time most of them rode a bike, it had a banana seat and sure as heck didn't go 30 mph.

Also - Sidewalks are for pedestrians and dogs, not bicycles.
Sorry, but maybe that is part of the problem...


ToastyOhs  Monday Jul 5 12:17 PM

Yes, I agree, but I don't want to have someone put up a memorial for me.



Pete Zicato  Monday Jul 5 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ToastyOhs View Post
Yes, I agree, but I don't want to have someone put up a memorial for me.
Me either.



Cause that would mean I was dead.


spudcon  Monday Jul 5 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt View Post
They have just added a bunch of bike lanes in DC too. DC is fairly bike friendly, for a US city. It's still dangerous, but it's much better than most.

When cyclists are killed, it actually makes the news and people care. Some mysterious person (or persons) puts up memorials every time a cyclist is killed. And if the city removes them, they put another up in the same spot until the city gives up.

This one memorializes a woman run over by a national guard truck a couple blocks from my office this Spring.
No wonder the cyclist died, there's no tires on his bike!


Glinda  Monday Jul 5 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff View Post
See, everybody wins... most everybody... well a couple people.

The cultural aspect of this is interesting. I remember riding in Ireland and how careful the cars were around cyclists. We got razzed by German cyclists for our helmets and mirrors, items we need in the States because we will get driven off the road or hit with a beer bottle or slapped in the back of the head.
I'm not a bike rider, so I have no dog in this fight, but a neighbor told me something he used to do as a teen that gets me giggling every time I imagine the scene.

Seems, whenever he and his older brother were driving around and they'd approach a pedestrian or biker headed the same direction, he'd lean out the passenger window and yell "BANG!" right next to them, as loud as he could.

Couple of guys fell off their bikes, he says.

Ok, ok. If it happened to me, I'd be pissed as hell, but come on. That's FUNNY.


classicman  Monday Jul 5 05:07 PM

sorry - I've no dog in this fight either, but...

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Approximately 50 percent of Traumatic Brain Injuries are the result of motor vehicle, bicycle, or pedestrian-vehicle incidents.



Griff  Monday Jul 5 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
I'm not a bike rider, so I have no dog in this fight, but a neighbor told me something he used to do as a teen that gets me giggling every time I imagine the scene.

Seems, whenever he and his older brother were driving around and they'd approach a pedestrian or biker headed the same direction, he'd lean out the passenger window and yell "BANG!" right next to them, as loud as he could.

Couple of guys fell off their bikes, he says.

Ok, ok. If it happened to me, I'd be pissed as hell, but come on. That's FUNNY.
Thanks classic, your response was much more reasonable than what I almost posted.


spudcon  Tuesday Jul 6 08:00 AM

Cats hanging from a snake, bikers getting hurt, and cellarites getting offended. Sheesh. Getting much to serious around here.



Griff  Tuesday Jul 6 08:16 AM

I'm gonna lighten up. Thanks for the heads up Spud.



spudcon  Tuesday Jul 6 10:52 AM

All part of the service. I save my sensitivity for politics, usually.



Sundae  Tuesday Jul 6 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff View Post
Thanks classic, your response was much more reasonable than what I almost posted.
And mine.
My Dad cycled to and from work for years because we didn't have a car. He'd have split his sides if someone had done that to him.


Pete Zicato  Tuesday Jul 6 05:37 PM

Illinois just passed a law requiring adequate clearance for cyclists.

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The new law increases penalties for attempting to harm or threaten bicyclists. Under the law, drivers who intimidate cyclists with threats, crowding or throwing items will be subject to a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail and/or a $2,500 fine.
http://www.illinois.gov/PressRelease...=1&RecNum=8597


xoxoxoBruce  Tuesday Jul 6 11:00 PM

Then you either kill 'em, or you have to pay a $2500 fine...hmmm.



ZenGum  Wednesday Jul 7 09:27 AM

Could be worse.

Attachment 28645



Griff  Wednesday Jul 7 09:35 AM



not a problem



Glinda  Friday Jul 9 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spudcon View Post
Cats hanging from a snake, bikers getting hurt, and cellarites getting offended. Sheesh. Getting much to serious around here.
No kidding.

It wasn't me. I wasn't there. I'd never do such a thing, and it's not remotely like being hit with a beer bottle, slapped in the back of the head, or run over. The image it conjures up just makes me laugh.

Sheesh.


Griff  Friday Jul 9 01:53 PM

No. It is the same. Any unexpected action that makes the cyclist hit the pavement is the same.



classicman  Friday Jul 9 02:01 PM

And the long-term life altering damage it can cause to not only the bicyclist who has fallen, but also his/her caregivers bring no such smirk to my face.



Glinda  Friday Jul 9 02:05 PM

Well, I guess I'm a horrible human because I laughed at something I imagined.

You all can hate me if it makes you feel better. *shrug*



classicman  Friday Jul 9 02:08 PM

nope - you aren't horrible. Other people laugh at drive by shootings with paintball guns too. I don't see the humor in that either.


Of course, I'm an opinionated asshole - so take it for what its worth.



Griff  Friday Jul 9 02:09 PM

I don't hate you Glinda, you're obviously a nice person, that is why your take on this shocked me. I guess people don't know the seriousness of what they're doing when they surprise cyclists.



Glinda  Friday Jul 9 05:02 PM

Well, as I said, I don't condone it and would never do it. I just imagined the picture in my head and got the giggles.

Don't you ever laugh at Funniest Home Videos when someone does something risky (or even not particularly risky) and ends up getting hurt in a spectacular way? I think you're lying if you say you don't, and laughing does not mean you wanted the guy to hurt himself, nor that you're happy he did. It's the image that makes us laugh, not the reality of the outcome.

Is this image funny?



Yes. But my crotch also cringes in sympathy. I bet it's the same for most people.

Same guy told me another story about his brother. One night, while the brother was fast asleep with one hand hanging off the side of the bed, he crawled beneath the bed and yanked his brother's hand as if he were the monster from every kid's nightmares. Brother has slept firmly wrapped in the bedding ever since.

I laughed like hell at the story, yet again. I also told him he was a son of a bitch for doing this to his brother, and sympathized with the brother for what was done to him, but I still laughed at the image it put in my head.




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